Posted on 01/12/2017 4:10:00 PM PST by annalex
Among others in Eastern Europe, the Hungarians aren’t. See this item from last Spring:
(Hungarian PM) Orban’s Historical Speech Puts Hungary on a War Footing (speaks truth about Muslim immigration)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3411401/posts
Transcript in post 5. Well worth the read. This man gets it.
Annalex, while a bit old, you might see if that’s appropriate for the ping list, now that I think about it.
I think the only country from that list doing that is Sweden, but they weren’t doing it in the early 90s when Carl Bilt was in charge.
Oh, I see. Their lead sentence threw me off. I thought they were talking about all of Europe.
The countries concerned are all paid-up members I suppose.
We have protected Europe for decades without any reimbursement for the service. We helped to rebuild under the Marshall Plan, and we owe a lot of money.
I’d say that we are owed some payment for services provided past and future. We can’t run huge deficits forever.
Which Allies ,the ones before Obama or after Obama ?
Afghanistan was before Obama and all these countries were there.
Which of these leaders is willing to spend their own blood and treasure in a new European war? These people don’t even pay their fair share for the existing defense of Europe.
These countries (excepting Sweden) are what Rumsfeld called "New Europe", as opposed to France, Britain and Germany, that dominate EU. The liberated themselves from the USSR and, naturally, joined whatever Western organizations would take them. They all are now having second thoughts about the EU, but they are enthusiastic members of NATO . The did not engineer the refugee crisis in Europe: Merkel, the German Chancellor did. They tend to be conservative and pro-US, at least in foreign policy.
Bulgaria is on the receiving end of the refugee flow from Turkey. The refugees are not staying in Bulgaria, they pass through, because they want to go to the rich countries of Europe, primarily Germany. The rest of the countries on the list do not accept refugees. See the map: Map of Europe refugee crisis.
Trump, or any American president, will have to deal with two geopolitical crises, not one. It is, indeed, the Muslim invasion, now in the form of refugees, but also the migration from Islamic countries to the former colonial powers such as Britain and France. That is made worse by the European Left. But that is not a problem that Poland and the Balt republics contribute to. Bulgaria and Hungary (whose politicians are also on the list) would like to stop the flow, but they are geographically on the refugees' way and the EU dictates open-borders policy. Neither of these countries is the target of migration, West Europe is.
The second crisis we will have to deal with is the resurgence of Russian aggression. That is what the article is about. No, it does not mean we need to go and die for Crimea right away. It means that we do not appease aggression, because otherwise after Crimea and Ukraine Putin will turn to the Balt republics and Poland, and they are NATO members.
Judging by the Mattis and Tillerson testimonies recently, the incoming administration understands that Putin and Russian belligerence will be a problem.
I agree, but life goes on even if we don’t see a payment.
What would your recommendation be if a NATO member is attacked tomorrow?
Since 1989-1991. None of that has anything to do with Obama.
Both the Balt republics and Poland have sizable armies, and volunteer reserves. To them Russia is an existential threat, and they had faced it before.
They are, however, no match to the Russians. This is why they sought NATO membership and received it when W. Bush was president.
I’d be skeptical and want to make sure it wasn’t a false flag that our war-mongering CIA and NeoCons were hoping to use as an excuse to go to war.
Well, right.
But there is no difference between annexing Crimea and invading a couple of provinces of Latvia — both have ethnic Russians,— other than Latvia is in NATO and Ukraine was not. The former already happened. Was not a false flag.
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