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Latest on the pardon-request pile: Snowden, Manning
Hot Air ^ | December 30, 2016 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 12/30/2016 12:27:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Talk about bad timing. After the election, Barack Obama and the Democratic Party have stoked hysteria over Russian hacking of the DNC and John Podesta’s e-mails. Obama just kicked 35 Russian diplomatic officials out of the country over the allegations, turning it into a major diplomatic rift. Just as this contretemps appears to have reached its zenith, two notorious figures who stole massive amounts of diplomatic and national-security data and exposed it to the world have asked Obama to pardon them, as Politico’s Josh Gerstein reports — one of whom now lives under Vladimir Putin’s grant of asylum:

Four of the most well-known targets of President Barack Obama’s war on leaks — including Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning — are among those who have requested pardons or commutations in the waning days of his presidency.

Lawyers who track Obama’s approach to clemency applications say all four — which also include retired Marine Corps Gen. James “Hoss” Cartwright and former CIA officer John Kiriakou — face long odds in part because of intense attention to the dangers of hacking and the national security leaks that follow.

The fact that the requests don’t meet the usual Justice Department criteria and aren’t covered by the special initiative Obama set up to reduce the sentences of non-violent drug offenders sentenced to long terms in federal prison also make them more unlikely.

Well, that’s not the only issue that makes these grants unlikely. The Manning case has many facets to it, but the connection to Wikileaks makes it all but impossible. The DNC and Podesta e-mails went through Wikileaks too, and the Obama administration has accused them of being Russian dupes or agents for publishing those private communications from private organizations. How can Obama justify a pardon for Manning, who transmitted far more information from military and diplomatic communications to the same organization?

Snowden’s application is even more obviously problematic. Manning was tried, convicted, and sentenced for his crimes. Snowden ran out of the country, eventually setting up shop in Russia under Putin’s protection. Fugitives typically do not get consideration for presidential pardons, at least not unless they’re really Rich and give lots of money to the Clintons and other Democrats. After the Russia panic stoked by Obama himself and fellow Democrats, there’s no possible way that Obama would ignore Snowden’s status as a fugitive and a Russian asylum recipient to pardon him for putting actual sensitive data into the open.

For the same reason, the prospects for a Hillary Clinton pardon seem more remote than they did before the election, too. The Hill asked that question earlier this week:

From Obama’s perspective, the decision to grant or withhold a pardon is a political and a personal one. Legal considerations do not directly arise.

Like all presidents at the end of their terms, he is concerned about the legacy he leaves for history. Does he want his legacy to include a pardon of the secretary of State who served under him during the entirety of his first term in office?

Because acceptance of a pardon amounts to a confession of guilt, the acceptance by Clinton would, to a degree, besmirch both Clinton and also Obama. After all, Clinton was Obama’s secretary of State. If she was committing illegal acts as secretary, it happened literally on his watch.

On the other hand, if the new administration were to prosecute and convict Clinton of crimes committed while she was secretary, that might be an even greater embarrassment for Obama post-presidency.

A Hillary Clinton pardon focused only on the e-mail scandal would force the Obama administration to argue that hacking the DNC and John Podesta had more consequence than a Secretary of State putting classified info into non-secured systems. That’s a laughable premise that should already be getting skewered in the media, and a pardon might just force that issue. A pardon that more broadly includes the pay-to-play corruption between State and the Clinton Foundation gets even more problematic, especially in regard to the Uranium One deal that gave Russia control over 20% of US uranium while putting $500,000 in Bill Clinton’s pocket. Which benefited Russia more — Hillary’s transmission of classified info in the clear and her arrangement to put more uranium under Moscow’s control, or e-mails at the DNC and Center for American Progress?

In a rational exit, we’d see more low-level pardons rather than splashy and controversial clemency actions:

“I think he’s going to announce a lot of names in the next few weeks. I don’t think any of them will be these big-name figures,” said Mark Osler, a law professor at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis. “This administration does have an aversion to high-profile cases generally.”

The big question is whether Obama’s lame-duck period qualifies as a “rational exit.” Issuing these pardons will completely undercut Obama’s attempts to paint Russia as the reason for his party’s collapse, as well as just being plainly bad ideas. I’d bet that Manning, Snowden, and Hillary should all prepare themselves for disappointment in the pardon process … but I wouldn’t bet too much money on it.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: manning; obama; snowden; wikileaks

1 posted on 12/30/2016 12:27:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I am guessing these two won’t be getting a pardon considering the current narrative that Wikileaks is in league with the Russians.


2 posted on 12/30/2016 12:32:35 PM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If they convert to Islam I bet Obama would pardon them.


3 posted on 12/30/2016 12:37:47 PM PST by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp: Replace Ryan & McConnell; Primary Lyn' Ted and others.)
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To: USNBandit
I have refrained to mentioned Snowden in Brack’s wrath against the Russians... but with this thread I will mention that Brack wanted Russia to send Snowden back here for Brack’s justice....
4 posted on 12/30/2016 12:41:25 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, I thought “Manning” meant Payton for winning the SB a year after he really should have retired or Elt for being a world-class A-hole.

My bad.


5 posted on 12/30/2016 12:46:23 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I have feeling '17 is gonna be a good year)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A pardon for the traitor Bergdhal is all but certain.

It’s the ultimate FU to the American military.


6 posted on 12/30/2016 12:49:01 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: Strac6

Then he’ll make him Sergeant Major of the Army...


7 posted on 12/30/2016 12:50:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Strac6

If they pardon him, somebody is going to commit a violent act against him. Too many enemies.


8 posted on 12/30/2016 12:54:19 PM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hillary will have to be pardoned if for no other reason than her underlings need protection/silencing.


9 posted on 12/30/2016 1:18:02 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Make lemonade.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A pardon for Hillary contains another complication that I haven't seen addressed much: it damages, perhaps fatally, her chance for a 2020 campaign. Here is a woman obsessed with ambition and self-enrichment. She may well take the tack that accepting a pardon is not an admission of guilt but merely a means to dodge partisan persecution, backed fully by a media campaign happy to declare night to be day if it serves their agenda. This would be fine for that portion of her core support that are already True Believers but it isn't likely to convince her disappointed big-ticket donors who are now wondering where all the money went. A pardon means that the books are closed and that they will never know any more than they do now, which is surprisingly little given the prodigious amount of money involved. A pardon shuts off the money tap, and there is no politician in the game at the moment more vulnerable to that than She Who Must Not Be Named.
10 posted on 12/30/2016 1:42:07 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: USNBandit

True


11 posted on 12/30/2016 2:50:25 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: USNBandit

The only problem would be 50,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines would all try to take credit for his demise


12 posted on 12/30/2016 3:19:13 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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To: Strac6
I am in a definite minority of service members that think we should have gotten him back. My reasoning behind that is that he is an idiot, but he is our idiot, that we made the mistake of enlisting and taking to a war zone. In my book that means we have to bring him home.

After being recovered then he can be brought to justice.

13 posted on 12/30/2016 4:09:13 PM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

Every deserter, every AWOL, every thief has an excuse.

He raised his right hand and took an oath. He deserted in the face of the enemy.

Americans died trying to rescue him.

The death penalty is appropriate.


14 posted on 12/30/2016 6:01:16 PM PST by Strac6 ("We sleep safe in our beds only because rough men stand ready to visit violence on the enemy.")
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