OH: Roth Steyer Antique Destroyed in Cleveland "buy back"

Gun Watch ^ | 13 December, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

Roth Steyr pistols are highly desired by collectors, with prices running up to $2,000.

It is a curio/relic listed by the ATF, so it does not have to run through the normal FFL license.  It has many advanced features for 1907, reminiscent of the Glock pistol today. Both were designed in Austria. Both are striker fired, instead of using a hammer.  Both have no traditional safety, instead opting for a partial or half/cocked striker system.  Both the Glock and the Roth Steyr partially cock the striker, with the trigger then pulled to finish cocking and firing the pistol. The pistol shown belonged in the 11th Landwehr Infantry Regiment, as the 73rd one issued, as shown by grip inset nut/medallion.

The Roth Steyr fires the obsolete 8X18.5 M7 Roth cartridge. The cartridge is occasionally manufactured in Europe  by Fiocchi, in limited runs. The ballistics are a 113 grain full metal jacketed bullet at about 1070 feet per second. The stripper clips are hard to come by.  One seeker was willing to pay $75 for one.  It is unknown if he found one or not.

The stripper clips hold 10 rounds, making the pistol, in 1907, a direct competitor with the 1896 Mauser, which was also fed with 10 round stripper clips. All the pistols were manufactured by the Austro-Hungarian government in Hungary or Austria. The Roth Steyr was the first semi-auto to be adopted by a major army anywhere. 

It is sad that no one at the Cleveland gun "buy back" recognized the historic nature of this antique.  Given the difficulty of obtaining ammunition, it seems a very unlikely crime gun.  I would love to have one in my collection.

The pistol was used extensively in WWI. The Austrians lost the war. Most wartime exploits with the Roth Steyr would not be recorded in English. About 90,000 were used during the war. I have not come across any accounts similar to Winston Churchill's adventures with his trust Mauser. The accounts are probably there, maybe in an old wartime diary in German, or Hungarian. Some of the pistols were used in WWII.

Gems like the Roth Steyr are routinely found at gun "buy backs". They are not found in quantity, but they are found. All the more reason for private buyers to monitor these gun turn ins, and to rescue the valuable items from the smelter.

Perhaps the better tactic is to have the state forbid the waste of destroying valuable resources for political propaganda. Arizona  and in some other states require the guns to be sold through normal commercial channels. The funds resulting from the sale ere used to reduce the tax burden.

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[marktwain]

Probably turned in by a widow who inherited it and did not care to take it to a dealer.

[Calvin Locke]

I knew a guy that was a grunt at a silverware company. Towle, iirc. He told me that in the silver bubble of late 1970s, the company was paying top dollar for the silver content stuff.

People were bringing in all sorts of silver antiques, not to mention coins, that were far more valuable than the silver content.

[Carriage Hill]

I remember seeing those in the gun display counter cases in an Arlington Hts, IL, pawn shop, back in the early 60s, when we’d go in to buy WWII surplus for camping trips in the BSA. I haven’t seen one since.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

LOL at moron who traded a $2000 antique for a $25 card.

Stupidity should never go unrewarded.

[Eagles6]

My BIL has one in 90% condition. Brought back by his Dad after WWII.

[marktwain]

Does he know it is valuable?

If he does not, please let him know.

[Eagles6]

Yes. I researched it for him. Had a decent offer from a vintage arms dealer but decided to keep it.