According to Rob Leatham 6x IPSC World Champion! That's right coming from Rob Leatham. When it comes to shooting, few are at Rob Leatham's caliber so when he's got something to say about shooting, we should pay attention. Or, shouldn't we? Posted on 12/08/2016 9:32:15 AM PST by w1n1
According to Rob Leatham 6x IPSC World Champion! That's right coming from Rob Leatham. When it comes to shooting, few are at Rob Leatham's caliber so when he's got something to say about shooting, we should pay attention. Or, shouldn't we?
Without questioning Rob's shooting ability, there has been debates on the different school of thoughts when it comes to "instinctive" shooting to precise shooting, or, accuracy shooting to speed shooting. As you can see the list goes on, we have written one piece when the NYPD shooting program came under fire when their officers were missing their shots in actual incidents, when lives counted.
Which ever side of the fence you stand on, Rob's statement is sure to perk your interest and opinion on shooting, here’s 3 things that Rob talks about to make you a better shooter.
He is still aiming. Whether he is doing so consciously or not, cannot tell, but I would venture a guess that it is more instinctual now.
Check DR Middlebrooks. Fist fire.
2 & 3 are pretty silly, but 1 is critical.
My son was on horseback, at night, galloping when an illegal alien vehicle he was chasing in the desert swerved and tried to run over him and his horse. Reacting to the deadly attack by the illegals, he drew-down and fired twice, first shot hit the vehicle’s right front and the second shot hit the driver.
At night, at a gallop, against a moving target. . . wow.
No aiming, just lots of of practice.
Depends on the situation. I can use the instinctive method and put rounds in a silhouette at 50 feet all day - if I have time to aim, I can put one in an eye socket.
Lets see how good he is by doing it the way Bill Jordan, Elmer Keith, or Ed McGivern did it.
Draw and point.
A person could just remove the sights and learn from there.
“He is still aiming. Whether he is doing so consciously or not, cannot tell, but I would venture a guess that it is more instinctual now.”
I think of aiming as lining up the sights on the target as opposed to pointing.
In rapid fire you don’t have time to aim but if you are good at pointing you can shoot good groups.
Yes in three gun competition where they are shooting at targets that are around 300 MOA @ 9~15 yards or so it is a suitable method. It is suitable down to targets around 60~80 MOA if you have good muscle memory and natural-point of-aim mastered. Very fast and pretty practical, as in the real world you are likely less than 9 yards in a real world shoot.
Now take that same method and try it out on NRA bullseye, where the 50 Yard target has a 7 MOA 10 ring, and the 25 yard rapid target with a 14 MOA 10 ring. Oh yeah...use one hand to shoot the targets. Point and shoot method will not be all that impressive, won’t work, you likely will miss the paper.
Now I am not a real pistol shooter, but from observation the guys that master NRA/CMP Bullseye pistol can shoot the practical course of fire very well, though they are seldom the fastest shooters, but the practical speed shooters are completely outclassed when it comes to shooting accurately. As in they lack the basic skills to keep all of their shots on the paper, much less in the target black.
And my son (Post 5)
His point is that you have to be able to pull the trigger without changing the attitude of the gun.
Muscle memory.
Once its ingrained, it doesn’t take much practice to hone the skill again.
i did bow hunting- and could never get used to using sights- took them off the compound bow because they are useless to me- just couldn’t get the hang of them- learned to shoot instinctively- and was good enough at 60 yeards that I could ‘nock’ my friend’s arrows (Knock the nock off them)- not every time, but consistently- noone wanted to shoot first- they always made me shoot first after awhile, then they’d try to nock my arrows lol-
With instinctive bow shooting- youplace the bowstring on the exact point of cheek every time- and you don’t look down the arrow- but look at target- judge distance, and elevate or drop the bow slightly as needed- - after much practice, it becomes automatic-
I believe Fred Bear used to shoot like this- with a recurve- not sure though- but they say he was phenomenal-
Bingo!! Wasting time to aim at a large target can be silly, when the target is a short distance away. Practice what you call the instinctive method, which is much quicker than the aim method. But one needs to know their limitations for any given situation and adapt accordingly. To think that the above three steps can be handled perfectly and repeatedly in a rapidly developing firefight is Hollywood nonsense.
I think an experienced shooter can factor in their typical flinch when pulling the trigger, as well. If you know you repeatedly tend to hit down and left when repeatedly aiming and pulling the trigger, adjust a bit up and to the right to place more rounds on the target or where you want to hit.
Different skillsets. I would venture that not many Camp Perry bullseye shooters would do very well in the Bianchi Cup,
***I believe Fred Bear used to shoot like this- with a recurve- not sure though- but they say he was phenomenal-***
I found that Fred Bear, for his filmed hunts of dangerous game, had a rifleman off screen, “just in case.” Bear also carried a .44 Mag under his jacket for his other dangerous game hunts..”just in case.”
In one guided hunt for a record, Bear nailed a griz with the bow, then when the bear came for him he reached and grabbed his hidden .44 magnum.
The guide yelled..”DON’T DO IT! HE IS A RECORD!” meaning that if Bear shot the bear he could not claim it as a bow and arrow record. The bear died of the arrow wound a few minutes later.
with my taurus judge, using winchester pdx .410 ammo, you don’t really have to aim ... just kinda point-and-shoot ... who said close only counts in horseshoes and had grenades
Hey!
This point about pulling the trigger without moving the weapon is great stuff to focus on.
First things first.
If you try to do it all at once, you’re bound to fail....or at least, take much longer to succeed.
All my guns have a bad attitude!
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