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To: PeaRidge; BroJoeK
That's not a fair comparison. Given a century and a half of research and reflection one could come up with a lot of insights. When one has to act in the moment, bring together such sources as they are, reach conclusions, and communicate them to a public that may be indifferent or hostile, what one comes up with is bound to look weaker than what a historian a century and a half later could make.

The bottom line here is that there was much hack writing and speechifying in the years leading up to the Civil War arguing that cotton was king, that the slave states were being exploited by the free North and that an independent cotton confederacy would be a good thing. Colwell took up the challenge and wrote a response to some very dangerous ideas -- ideas which you shamelessly circulate even a century later, when we all know how harmful they were. How can one not commend him for that?

If you're still looking for a refutation of Kettell's pernicious book, try Samuel Powell's Notes on Southern Wealth and Northern Profits. Like Colwell's book, it's short. It's not an exhaustive treatment of the subject. Both books were written under the pressure of events to make a point that needed making. There is nothing wrong with that.

656 posted on 12/13/2016 1:49:54 PM PST by x
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To: x

Like I said: “Why you continue to defend this misrepresentation can only be explained by a need to avoid exposure as a polemic.”

Maybe more than one.


657 posted on 12/13/2016 2:13:00 PM PST by PeaRidge
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To: x; PeaRidge; rockrr; DiogenesLamp
x: "If you're still looking for a refutation of Kettell's pernicious book, try Samuel Powell's Notes on Southern Wealth and Northern Profits.
Like Colwell's book, it's short."

Thanks for the references, x, I read good parts of Colwell's book.
Colwell makes some of the same arguments I have posted here.
For example, he demonstrates with actual numbers that while more than half of US cotton shipped from New Orleans and about 75% from Gulf Coast ports, less than 10% shipped to Europe from New York City.

But it is very dense reading, and not all of it of interest to us today.
It reminds me why I'm a "history buff", not a history scholar, since I much prefer the abbreviated Cliff Notes. ;-)

For example, here's a summary which includes some of Kettell's arguments with realistic reporting on what was actually going on.

So, to the degree that DiogenesLamp and PeaRidge's assertions reflect this reporting, we have to concede it.
But I think they go far beyond historical facts into the realm of pro-Confederate mythology when they claim that Democrat New York businessmen were somehow in the driver's seat, forcing "Ape" Lincoln's Black Republicans to "start a war" when they would otherwise have compromised for peace.

In fact, Lincoln in 1861 was not focused on Democrat New York businessmen, but on his Oath of Office to preserve, protect and defend the US Constitution.
So, what DiogenesLamp & PeaRidge here post about is not Lincoln's motivation, but rather the question of why Democrat New York businessmen, erstwhile allies of the Southern Slave Power suddenly switched sides from demanding compromise to supporting military action against secessionists.

660 posted on 12/14/2016 4:55:04 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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