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To: BroJoeK
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, - That whenever any Form of Government become destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

You keep reading the term “at pleasure” into the Declaration of Independence. Can you identify exactly where in the DOI it is found?

264 posted on 11/26/2016 6:49:00 PM PST by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem; rockrr
jeffersondem: "You keep reading the term “at pleasure” into the Declaration of Independence.
Can you identify exactly where in the DOI it is found? "

Now you misrepresent my views too.
"At pleasure" is the term used by James Madison and other Founders to distinguish valid and legitimate reasons for disunion from other reasons not constitutionally approved.
Indeed, the Declaration of Independence itself makes 100% clear that their disunion is not "at pleasure" but rather was necessary due to the unlawful actions of the British government.

Once again: the two constitutionally valid reasons for secession are:

  1. Mutual consent, exemplified by replacing the old Articles of Confederation with the new Constitution in 1788.
  2. Necessity caused by "oppression" or "usurpations" such as experienced by Founders in 1776.

Neither valid condition existed in November 1860 when Deep South Fire Eaters began organizing to declare secession.
That made their disunion "at pleasure".

269 posted on 11/26/2016 8:32:43 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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