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America Won, California Didn't: Electoral College Works
Poletical.com ^ | November 16th, 2016 | T. Carter

Posted on 11/16/2016 3:42:52 PM PST by PingPongChampion

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To: PingPongChampion
Over half of America's population is localized to a mere 146 of the 3,144 U.S. counties
and county-equivalents. How accurate I don't know. But it is an interesting presentation.
Not sure this would be representive of this current election but I bet it comes close.

Data from back in 2013


21 posted on 11/16/2016 4:06:18 PM PST by deport
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To: Still Thinking

A federal or state act that violates the Constitution AS WRITTEN AND ORIGINALLY UNDERSTOOD AND INTENDED, is an unconstitutional act and should be rejected.


22 posted on 11/16/2016 4:10:53 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: PingPongChampion

California is the liberals dream. Hispanics outnumber whites giving the democrat party permanent full control of an entire state. Lets see how well it fares.

Let it be the canary in the coalmine for the rest of us.


23 posted on 11/16/2016 4:14:01 PM PST by Cubs Fan (Trump and Brexit 2016--The year the good guys finally said "enough." Remember it.)
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To: MyDogAteMyBallot; RummyChick

He’s already changed his mind on the electoral college. Probably, someone explained the purpose of it to him. Yesterday, he tweeted:

“If the election were based on total popular vote I would have campaigned in N.Y. Florida and California and won even bigger and more easily”

“The Electoral College is actually genius in that it brings all states, including the smaller ones, into play. Campaigning is much different!”


24 posted on 11/16/2016 4:17:49 PM PST by FenwickBabbitt
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To: ExTexasRedhead

can you source your comment that 3 million illegals voted?


25 posted on 11/16/2016 4:19:46 PM PST by morphing libertarian (Proudly deplorable since 2016)
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To: PingPongChampion
The Electoral College does make candidates pay attention to smaller states which they could ignore if the election was to be decided by the popular vote.

But still, elections usually come down to one or two large swing states. In the late 19th century, that was New York and Ohio. Politicians were happy to give Nevada and Wyoming a voice in the Electoral College, but most of the presidential and vice presidential candidates came from those two states (or Indiana and Illinois, which were alternatives to Ohio).

Lately, Florida and Ohio have been the key swing states. Maybe Michigan and Pennsylvania will join them or replace them. But if what we have now is a situation where California, New York and Illinois give the a national popular vote majority to candidates who still lose the election in the Electoral College, it's no surprise that there's agitation to change the system.

Results like this year's or 2000's aren't inevitable, though. If a party gets more popular votes and still loses the election, it usually finds a way to get its act together sooner or later.

26 posted on 11/16/2016 4:57:06 PM PST by x
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To: PingPongChampion

Yet it was almost entirely due to the Bay Area and the Los Angeles region. Take those two areas away and California is, at best, a swing state - if not outright red. The most productive region of California (the Central Valley) went for Trump, as did the rural north.


27 posted on 11/16/2016 5:00:59 PM PST by SouthernerFromTheNorth
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To: PingPongChampion

Bttt.


28 posted on 11/16/2016 5:03:30 PM PST by Inyo-Mono
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To: ExTexasRedhead
ExTexasRedhead :" Excuse me, but lets talk voter fraud and the 3 million illegals who voted!!!"

Exactly ! Right on point !
This is also why Dingy Harry is pushing so hard for the elimination of the electoral college.
It will Deepen the Nation divide (!!) and accentuate regionalism .
Elimination of the electoral college is a divisive tool, just as is Dirty Harry divisive.
Bye-bye Harry ! Enjoy retirement with your Chinese solar energy friends.

29 posted on 11/16/2016 5:04:00 PM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ("Everything HRC touches she kind of screws up with hubris.”- Colin Powell)
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To: PingPongChampion; ExTexasRedhead; ml/nj; LucyT; SatinDoll; Political Junkie Too; randita; Impy; ...
Had the popular vote decided the presidency, Hillary Clinton would be our president-elect with a slim margin of approximately 940,176 votes mostly from the state of California.

Why is it that the Witch's popular vote lead seems to be going ever upward as time passes? Could it be that the media sources reporting this popular vote difference have been given their marching orders by the 'Rats again?

30 posted on 11/16/2016 5:48:47 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Voter fraud.


31 posted on 11/16/2016 5:53:32 PM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: justiceseeker93
Bashir al Assad also won the popular vote
32 posted on 11/16/2016 6:14:16 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: FenwickBabbitt

“The Electoral College is actually genius in that it brings all states, including the smaller ones, into play”

Very glad to see this statement.


33 posted on 11/17/2016 4:16:00 AM PST by MyDogAteMyBallot
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To: justiceseeker93

maybe they are counting all the California absentee ballots this time

though I though they usually did not do so when the margin of victory for one candidate was insurmountable


34 posted on 11/17/2016 5:50:55 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: justiceseeker93

The late coming votes are mostly from Cali and WA State, and provisional ballots nationwide

Those are overwhelming rat, a lot of them fraud YES but the numbers, for whatever they are worth, are being accurately reported.

4 Million left to count.

California is disgusting.


35 posted on 11/17/2016 11:01:46 AM PST by Impy (Toni Preckwinkle for Ambassador to the Sun)
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To: justiceseeker93; randita; AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; Galactic Overlord-In-Chief; NFHale; ...

Fun fact, Shillery won a majority of the vote in only 13 states.

Of the states she won by plurailty: NV, CO, NM, MN, VA, NH, ME. The Johnson vote exceeded her margin of victory in all of them but Virginia.

Look at these NY slimes maps

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/16/us/politics/the-two-americas-of-2016.html

2 maps, in one Shillery areas are turned into lakes (and coastal erosion).

In the other Trump areas create a vast ocean with a Shillery archipelago.


36 posted on 11/17/2016 11:31:46 AM PST by Impy (Toni Preckwinkle for Ambassador to the Sun)
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To: ExTexasRedhead; PingPongChampion; vette6387; HarleyLady27; Liz; left that other site; bevperl; ...

“xcuse me, but lets talk voter fraud and the 3 million illegals who voted!!!! Then there are the felons, voting machines that registered Hitlery when the vote was cast for Trump, and those who voted repeatedly, and the 1.3 million DEAD who voted!!! Let’s talk about the Soros-voting machines in how many states???”

If we don’t DEMAND a fail proof voting system after all this fraud, I tell you we are too stupid to survive as a nation !


37 posted on 11/17/2016 1:02:25 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: PingPongChampion

38 posted on 11/18/2016 3:27:51 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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To: deport

Summary of Key Dates for the 2016 Presidential Election

June through October 2016
The Office of the Federal Register, on behalf of the Archivist of the United States, prepares Electoral College instructional materials for the Archivist to send to the governors of the 50 States and the mayor of the District of Columbia.
The materials include:
• a letter from the Archivist—view a sample letter
• detailed procedural instructions and a checklist outlining the State’s responsibilities
• a timeline of key dates for the Electoral College
• a pamphlet highlighting the Presidential Election provisions in the Constitution and Federal Law
Under the 23rd Amendment of the Constitution, the District of Columbia is allocated 3 electors and treated like a state for purposes of the Electoral College. For this reason, in the following discussion, the word “state” also refers to the District of Columbia and the word “governor” also refers to the Mayor of the District of Columbia.

November 8, 2016—Election Day
Registered voters cast their votes for President and Vice President. By doing so, they also help choose the electors who will represent their state in the Electoral College.

Mid-November through December 19, 2016
After the presidential election, the governor of your state prepares seven Certificates of Ascertainment. “As soon as practicable,” after the election results in your state are certified, the governor sends one of the Certificates of Ascertainment to the Archivist.

Certificates of Ascertainment should be sent to the Archivist no later than the meeting of the electors in December. However, federal law sets no penalty for missing the deadline.
The remaining six Certificates of Ascertainment are held for use at the meeting of the Electors in December.

December 13, 2016
States must make final decisions in any controversies over the appointment of their electors at least six days before the meeting of the Electors. This is so their electoral votes will be presumed valid when presented to Congress.
Decisions by states’ courts are conclusive, if decided under laws enacted before Election Day.

December 19, 2016
The Electors meet in their state and vote for President and Vice President on separate ballots. The electors record their votes on six “Certificates of Vote,” which are paired with the six remaining Certificates of Ascertainment.
The electors sign, seal, and certify six sets of electoral votes. A set of electoral votes consists of one Certificate of Ascertainment and one Certificate of Vote. These are distributed immediately as follows:
• one set to the President of the Senate (the Vice President) for the official count of the electoral votes in January;
• two packages to the Secretary of State in the state where the electors met—one is an archival set that becomes part of the public record of the Secretary of State’s office and the other is a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes;
• two packages to the Archivist—one is an archival set that becomes part of the permanent collection at the National Archives and Records Administration and the other is a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes; and
• one set to the presiding judge in the district where the Electors met—this is also a reserve set that is subject to the call of the President of the Senate to replace missing or incomplete electoral votes.

December 28, 2016
Electoral votes (the Certificates of Vote) must be received by the President of the Senate and the Archivist no later than nine days after the meeting of the electors. States face no legal penalty for failure to comply.
If votes are lost or delayed, the Archivist may take extraordinary measures to retrieve duplicate originals.

On or Before January 3, 2017
The Archivist and/or representatives from the Office of the Federal Register meet with the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House in late December or early January. This is, in part, a ceremonial occasion. Informal meetings may take place earlier.

January 6, 2017
The Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. Congress may pass a law to change this date.
The Vice President, as President of the Senate, presides over the count and announces the results of the Electoral College vote. The President of the Senate then declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States.
If a State submits conflicting sets of electoral votes to Congress, the two Houses acting concurrently may accept or reject the votes. If they do not concur, the votes of the electors certified by the Governor of the State on the Certificate of Ascertainment would be counted in Congress.
If no Presidential candidate wins 270 or more electoral votes, a majority, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution provides for the House of Representatives to decide the Presidential election. If necessary the House would elect the President by majority vote, choosing from the three candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by state, with each state having one vote.
If no Vice Presidential candidate wins 270 or more electoral votes, a majority, the 12th Amendment provides for the Senate to elect the Vice President. If necessary, the Senate would elect the Vice President by majority vote, choosing from the two candidates who received the greatest number of electoral votes. The vote would be taken by state, with each Senator having one vote.
If any objections to the Electoral College vote are made, they must be submitted in writing and be signed by at least one member of the House and one Senator. If objections are presented, the House and Senate withdraw to their respective chambers to consider their merits under procedures set out in federal law.

January 20, 2017 at Noon—Inauguration Day
The President-elect takes the Oath of Office and becomes the President of the United States.

General Authority
The Archivist of the United States, as the head of the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), is responsible for carrying out ministerial duties on behalf of the States and the Congress under 3 U.S.C. sections 6, 11, 12, and 13.
NARA is primarily responsible for coordinating the various stages of the electoral process by helping the States prepare and submit certificates that establish the appointment of electors and validate the electoral votes of each State.
The Archivist delegates operational duties to the Director of the Federal Register. The Federal Register Legal Staff ensures that electoral documents are transmitted to Congress, made available to the public, and preserved as part of our nation’s history.
The Office of the Federal Register Legal Staff reviews the electoral certificates for the required signatures, seals and other matters of form, as specified in federal law.
Only the Congress and the courts have the authority to rule on substantive legal issues.

Office of the Federal Register, National Archives and Records Administration
https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/key-dates.html


39 posted on 11/18/2016 3:37:00 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com
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