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(From Ireland Blog) Opinion: We think Hillary is cool and Brexit and Trump are terrible, but are we
The Liberal - Ireland's Blog for Irish Opinions ^ | September 4, 2016 | Hugh Treacy

Posted on 09/10/2016 1:33:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

At first sight, the connections between Brexit and Donald Trump are not so apparent. However, look at it from an Irish perspective and one link becomes very clear: Irish people who hate and fear the Republican presidential candidate are almost invariably the same who were appalled and outraged at the British vote to leave the EU.

Why should this be? Well, we can speculate about the fears of rising nationalism or concerns about free trade. Internationally, that may be true. But in the Irish context, the hostility to Trump and Brexit is more of a childlike refusal to accept that things are changing and there’s nothing that can be done about it.

Who can forget Sir Bob Geldof’s Thames flotilla of yachts and floating gin-palaces during the Brexit campaign, when he and his crew of Hooray Henrys’ jeered and flicked ‘V’ signs at hard-working Cornish fishermen who were protesting Brussels’ stranglehold on their livelihoods? The reaction from ordinary working people in the UK was one of disgust, and his stunt may well have helped swing the result away from ‘Remain’. But was there a similar outcry at his behaviour from his native Dublin? Not really.

From the unprecedented public criticism of a nominee for US President – twice – by Enda Kenny in the Dáil, to the Tanaiste and other senior Fine Gael parliamentarians ostentatiously attending the Democrat convention while ignoring the Republican gathering, the response of ‘Official’ Ireland to what they see as unwelcome change has been almost gratuitous in its tribalism.

The concerted virtue-signalling at the highest level of the State has been in lockstep with that on social media, where the need to prove oneself liberal, hip and progressive is at obsessive levels. The over-riding aim appears to be to “keep up with the Jones’.” If the Jones’ are the Western liberal elite rather than the show-offs next door.

Perhaps none of this should be surprising. The pent-up feelings of inferiority and resentment from the isolated and penurious de Valera years, have been venting themselves in a dam-burst of reaction for at least a decade, if not longer. Lobbyists who push for radical social change have found an open door at Government Buildings, while large parts of the media revel in the role of campaigners for a ‘New Left’ agenda.

Yet is this healthy? Is it even in the national interest?

When we see the open partisanship towards Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, so prevalent now among Irish opinion leaders, we should also remember that this country is one of the most dependent in the world on foreign direct investment, with some of the most important companies being American in origin. Is it at all wise to have high-profile ministers like Simon Harris and Leo Varadkar running around telling everyone how much they dislike Donald Trump and, by implication, the Republicans, when Trump has made no secret of his wish to punish countries that he believes are undercutting America with corporate tax rates and other incentives?

There is also a worrying blindness as to the sea-change in public opinion that is taking place across the developed world. While Irish society is moving towards the full embrace of political correctness and identity politics, Europe, America, and large parts of Asia are rejecting the neo-leftist agenda; rediscovering the virtues of their own customs within sovereign nation states. Ironically, while many of us believe that we are now leaders of the liberal mainstream, we are actually outriders internationally, becoming dangerously isolated.

Previous Irish governments were strictly neutral in American elections for good reason. Going out of your way to antagonise the potential Leader of the Free World and the people who voted for them, is a quick way into trouble for a small, trade-dependent country like ours. Likewise, the Taoiseach’s intervention in favour of a Remain vote in the UK, along with ministers and other public figures, did nothing to sway the result and may even have opened the door to future foreign interference in our own ballots. Worse still, it identified this country with the losing side.

Tempting as it may be for officials and public to take sides in foreign elections and referendums in neighbouring states, there is just too much to lose in backing the wrong horse. We elect our leaders to be wise guardians of the Irish national interest, not to be acting like peer-pressured teenagers who will say anything to be approved by the coolest kids in class. It’s about time they started remembering that.


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1 posted on 09/10/2016 1:33:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A snowflake begins to see the real world


2 posted on 09/10/2016 1:41:25 AM PDT by Fai Mao
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I just spent a week in southern ireland. it was great. there are many people in ireland who get it. unfortunately ireland is, as the author says, relatively isolated, socially and technologically. their industrial base is small, narrow and fragile. so their self awareness is limited. and they tend to be overly concerned with their own past history, as interesting as that is. i was not there for the politics so it did not bother me much. i had other things to do so most of the time i kept my mouth shut concerning politics and current events. i do however hope that ireland will catch up, and soon.


3 posted on 09/10/2016 1:45:25 AM PDT by SteveH
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4 posted on 09/10/2016 1:49:08 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (Globalism = Terrorism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Brexit is best understood as an upraised finger to the Brussels bureaucracy.

The Common Market was a good idea. The European Union was a bad idea.

Ireland should put itself forward to the world's entrepreneurs as the low-cost regime. It should eat the lunch of greedier regimes, unable to compete due the stupidity of their voters. Long live Ireland!

F the EU and the $14.5b grab against AAPL. It belongs to Apple's shareholders, not to Eurotrash scum!

5 posted on 09/10/2016 1:49:30 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As for Ireland, keep your eyes on the ongoing water company dispute. As I understood folks trying to explain it to me, Ireland built a new potable water supply system. Somehow this had been mandated by the EU. Most of the people were against the new system because of the cost. Now the new system is in place and people are starting to receive the bills for it. However, a large percentage of the population is passively revolting by not paying the bills.

I have not had time to get back on the internet to look for articles about this. My information is anecdotal— still, given what I had heard, I would have expected that the article would have mentioned the water controversy, but it does not. Perhaps Irish popular opinion is in transition about Brexit...


6 posted on 09/10/2016 1:53:58 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What the hell is going on with irish water?
March 3 2016

http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-water-explainer-2639913-Mar2016/


7 posted on 09/10/2016 1:57:59 AM PDT by SteveH
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the sorry history of ireland’s water charges
april 26, 2016

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/water/irish-water-crisis/the-sorry-history-of-irelands-water-charges-34659505.html


8 posted on 09/10/2016 2:00:00 AM PDT by SteveH
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No bad for an Irishman. They are usually so steeped in hating America and Israel they can’t see straight.

One thing he leaves out: America’s kindness towards Irish immigrants which has gone on for two centuries now. It is repaid with bile from their institutions and trashed hotel rooms by Irish students.


9 posted on 09/10/2016 4:15:27 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: SteveH

That’s why Ireland is called the Mississippi of Europe.


10 posted on 09/10/2016 4:17:04 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Yes, Liberals, I question your patriotism)
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To: miss marmelstein
America’s kindness towards Irish immigrants
Surely you jest ...
11 posted on 09/10/2016 5:58:41 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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The fact of the matter is - and I speak as a descendent of Irish immigrants who went into service in NYC - many Irish were like inner-city people today - the wild Irish they used to be called. Read up on the NYC draft riots. That is why those signs began to appear. The way New Orleans sometimes closes down their bars when the ‘Greek’ festivals break up. They can’t put up signs.

And yet, America keeps taking in Irish immigrants and extending work visas despite, even today, California landlords are often subjected to having their apartment ruined by Irish exchange students.

That does not mean there aren’t plenty of good Irish immigrants into this country.

We are a good and decent country.


12 posted on 09/10/2016 6:18:31 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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Ireland, a country 100 years ago brimming with fervent nationalism and now embracing Mtumbe from Uganda, Mustafa from Syria, Zbignew from Poland, and hip newlywed couple, Steven Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzsteven.

Globalism is so chic in Ireland, the political invalid of Europe and soon the world.

13 posted on 09/10/2016 6:32:35 AM PDT by Lovely-Day-For-A-Guinness (Eenie meanie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak....)
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To: miss marmelstein
I speak as a descendent of Irish immigrants
I do as well - my "peeps" came here in 1849 and lived their entire lives in the LES.
They never knew luxury or comfort and most died long before 50 y/o from filth, disease and alcohol.
The movie Five Points is a Hollywood exaggeration, but Nativist hatred for the Irish, or any non-Americans for that matter, was very real.
14 posted on 09/10/2016 7:52:27 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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Read the bio of Helen Keller and Annie Sullivan by Joseph Lash (well worth it - brilliant). Annie’s background and her father’s behavior were so squalid as to defy belief. I simply refuse to romanticize the Irish diaspora at the cost of hating Americans of that period. The Yankees also provided the remarkably intelligent Annie with a good education before sending her out to conquer the world.


15 posted on 09/10/2016 8:01:50 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Irish have willingly put on the yoke of the EU. Clinton is a perfect Misstress on the plantation


16 posted on 09/10/2016 9:42:43 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (when the MSM wants your opinion, they will give it to you)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

Not guilty! Very, very, NOT GUILTY!


17 posted on 09/10/2016 9:51:08 AM PDT by PLMerite (Compromise is Surrender: The Revolution...will not be kind.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
"Sey eet laoud, Oi'm bleck, an Oi'm praoud!" (from The Commitments, one of the best movies ever.)
18 posted on 09/10/2016 3:51:38 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We will be one People, under one God, saluting one American flag. (standing ovation) --Donald Trump)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The contemporary Irish state has its roots in the attempted Communist uprising in 1916 and ultimately, in the Jacobin atheist Wolfe Tone who supported the French Revolution.

How ironic that Irish leftists call themselves "nationalists" with reference to the British but identify with the Third World.

19 posted on 09/10/2016 6:43:49 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Sof davar hakol nishma`; 'et-ha'Eloqim yera' ve'et-mitzvotayv shemor, ki-zeh kol-ha'adam.)
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Ireland, a country 100 years ago brimming with fervent nationalism and now embracing Mtumbe from Uganda, Mustafa from Syria, Zbignew from Poland, and hip newlywed couple, Steven Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzsteven.

Globalism is so chic in Ireland, the political invalid of Europe and soon the world.

Nationalism was left wing before it was right wing. The Old Order was imperial, multi-ethnic, and cosmopolitan. Then came the French Revolution which led directly to Irish Republicanism, the Greek wars of liberation, the revolutions of 1830 and 1848, and national awakenings among Scandinavians, Czechs, Bulgarians, Romanians, Croatians, Armenians, etc. All these nationalisms were originally left wing. Right wing "blood and soil" mystical nationalism was a later development.

Irish nationalism has been left wing since Wolfe Tone.

20 posted on 09/10/2016 6:49:48 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Sof davar hakol nishma`; 'et-ha'Eloqim yera' ve'et-mitzvotayv shemor, ki-zeh kol-ha'adam.)
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