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Long-Term Health Care Premium More Than Doubled
30 Jul 2016 | American Quilter

Posted on 07/30/2016 1:48:03 PM PDT by American Quilter

I've just been notified by my long-term health care insurance program that they're increasing my monthly premium from $198 to $441 beginning in November due to "the severity of certain medical conditions, expected lifespans, returns on investment, and overall program expenses." The insurer is John Hancock Life & Health Insurance Company. I'll have to pay the full premium increase in order to keep my annual 5% benefit increase. Or I can pay "only" $318 per month and drop to a 3.9% annual benefit increase. Or I can retain the current premium and drop to a 2% annual benefit increase.


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; healthcarepremiums; healthinsurers; ltc; obamacarepremiums; premium
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What a gut punch. Do any of you smart FReepers out there have any advice for me?
1 posted on 07/30/2016 1:48:03 PM PDT by American Quilter
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To: American Quilter

so this pays for your care should you need long term care due to debilitating illness/injury?
how healthy are you? how old are you?
if you just keep paying your current premium, what does the “2%” increase mean?


2 posted on 07/30/2016 1:52:32 PM PDT by visualops (It's the majority of the American people and Trump against the enemies of the republic - Windflier)
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To: American Quilter

we went with keep the premium the same and reduce to 3 vice 5 years of coverage


3 posted on 07/30/2016 1:56:49 PM PDT by mainevet (Get an M1911 or two or three or four... no eight!)
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To: American Quilter

Nothing to say except that I got the same letter. I will probably take the same premium/lower benefit option and hope that if I have to use the insurance, I will be able to self insure any remaining expense for myself and wife. I knew when I bought the insurance about 10 years ago, that this industry did not (and apparently still doesn’t) have a firm grip on projected costs, premium rates etc. as it is not life insurance with actuarial tables and the like. I am 75, good health etc. so I am also having to reassess our need for the insurance if it continues to increase premiums.


4 posted on 07/30/2016 1:57:11 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: American Quilter

Long term care has always been considered a rip off.
Gate keepers ,this keeper ,Blah Blah Blah
There has always been better ways to prepare for “Old Age”
Find a reputable Fi Advisor and ask them for input


5 posted on 07/30/2016 1:57:14 PM PDT by CGASMIA68 (kant spell er punktuate,fluncked english.Gramer to!!)
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To: American Quilter

Obamacare will soon be history.


6 posted on 07/30/2016 1:57:30 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: visualops

The insurance will pay up to a set daily benefit amount (currently $282) should I ever need home care (like Visiting Angels) or have to move to an assisted living facility or (God forbid) a nursing home. I’m currently 63 and in good health (mild diabetes controlled with diet and medication). The daily benefit of $282 is what would increase by 2% annually if I choose to retain my current monthly premium of $198.


7 posted on 07/30/2016 2:00:08 PM PDT by American Quilter (Hillary is an Unindicted Criminal.)
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To: yetidog

Also facts to consider:

Chance that a senior citizen will enter a nursing home: 1 in 3

Average cost to stay in a US nursing home for one year: $76,680

Average number of days which individuals that require long term care, receive it: 904


8 posted on 07/30/2016 2:01:11 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: American Quilter
Go to a religion-based insurance alternative, if you are Christian and belong to any church.

It won't cover pre-existing conditions, but you will have solid coverage and directly help others (as they directly help you).

It is far less expensive than 0care.

9 posted on 07/30/2016 2:03:28 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: CGASMIA68

I do have a good financial advisor, so I’ll contact him about this. Thanks, CGASMIA68.


10 posted on 07/30/2016 2:04:24 PM PDT by American Quilter (Hillary is an Unindicted Criminal.)
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To: yetidog

I bought mine 13 years ago, thinking it was a smart move to buy at a young age. The premium then was $150/month. Of course, that was before Obamanoncare and before I was forced to provide health care for millions of illegal aliens.


11 posted on 07/30/2016 2:06:34 PM PDT by American Quilter (Hillary is an Unindicted Criminal.)
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To: American Quilter
people should realize that most long term insurances follow medicare guidelines as well....if medicare doesn't think you need to go to rehab for skilled nursing care, they will not pay, and neither will most insurances...

if you need medicare approved skilled nursing care, they will pay for only so long....

if you're a payer or a worker instead of a taker, believe me, they will get you in the end....

12 posted on 07/30/2016 2:08:09 PM PDT by cherry
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To: ConservativeMind
Go to a religion-based insurance alternative, if you are Christian and belong to any church.

I haven't heard of this option, but I'll ask my pastor about it. Thanks, CM.

13 posted on 07/30/2016 2:08:12 PM PDT by American Quilter (Hillary is an Unindicted Criminal.)
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To: CGASMIA68

Depends on what you are paying for it in terms of what you are trying to protect. My mother spent 7 years in assisted living/nursing home care that would have wiped out her estate except that I was able to sell her home and purchase a lump sum annuity that with her SS provided for most of her care. I am not sure that would work today as annuities do not return anywhere near they did when I bought hers. So long term care insurance is one of the few ways to protect an estate you do not want eaten up by long term care expenses. Buying a life insurance policy at an advanced age would be more prohibitive than the LTC premiums.

Also the days of gifting assets and going the government assistance route is long over...as well it should be.


14 posted on 07/30/2016 2:12:12 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: ConservativeMind

Long term care insurance is not the same thing as health insurance so I am not sure there are religious based cooperatives serving this market.


15 posted on 07/30/2016 2:15:50 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: American Quilter

I’m worried my plan won’t be renewed, so I am contingency planning to jump ship to one of the christian alternative plans.
They are technically not insurance and I don’t understand it well enough to tell other people it is a good idea, but I’ve read enough to be ready to jump in myself.
So do research on your own
Medishare, samaritan, etc.


16 posted on 07/30/2016 2:18:48 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: yetidog; American Quilter
Yetidog, you are right. I got confused from the term “health” in the title.

There's “long term care insurance” and “health/health care insurance.” American Quilter, I was speaking to the latter option.

There is a hybrid life and long term care insurance, and there are long term care insurance options in partnership with your state. You may want to consider these.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Saving-Money/2016/0623/When-hybrid-long-term-care-insurance-makes-sense

http://longtermcare.gov/costs-how-to-pay/what-is-long-term-care-insurance/where-to-look-for-long-term-care-insurance/

17 posted on 07/30/2016 2:21:38 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan...

...as long as you are willing to pay through the nose for it.

18 posted on 07/30/2016 2:29:21 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: yetidog
Bingo! An "Apples and Oranges" thread! Long-Term Care Insurance is totally different from Health Insurance. The only thing they have in common is the high rate of inflation in all manner of medically related products/care!
19 posted on 07/30/2016 2:36:49 PM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: ConservativeMind

I will, CM, thanks.


20 posted on 07/30/2016 2:38:17 PM PDT by American Quilter (Hillary is an Unindicted Criminal.)
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