“Riding Dirty” The Curious Case of Philando Castile – Falcon Heights, MN Police Shooting…

The Conservative Treehouse ^ | 7-8-16 | sundance

[sheikdetailfeather]

MAJOR UPDATE BELOW: In order to give the update context we are placing the update at the conclusion of the original outline.

By now everyone is aware of the officer involved shooting of Philando Castile that became a viral BLM activist case as a direct result of his girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds (aka Lavish Reynolds) live-streaming the aftermath from their vehicle. – BACK STORY HERE –

NOTE: It is critical to remember -as you review the images and the video- optically the live stream was captured as a mirror image. Some video uploads mirror the image, it can be confusing, you have to reset your reference points. Philando Castile was driving, Diamond Reynolds was the passenger.

During the uploaded video narration Ms. Reynolds stated the police officer pulled them over for a broken tail light.

There are several aspects of the narrative as told that didn’t pass the sniff test, however, something about the “tail light” just didn’t seem to make sense. Especially when you consider it was daylight when they were pulled over; and where –in the aftermath media video– it can be noted the tail lights were operable.

[kingu]

Well, the leftist MSM has apparently convinced you, anyway.

Did he draw a gun and point it at anyone?

Do you have any source at all which says he drew a gun and aimed it at anyone?

If not, and this doesn't disturb you, then I'll pray for you and your family that one of you and yours doesn't do anything which an officer might interpret in some form or fashion as reaching for a gun, or that the hose in your hand is a gun, or the screwdriver you're using to fix a hose on your car isn't a gun.

Put the officer in cuffs, let him explain it to a jury, they can decide to convict or not.

[ozzymandus]

Don’t pray for me, pray for yourself.

[Sir Napsalot]

>>> I’m just aghast at this. I mean, seriously, demonizing the dead man? <<<

So, it ok to saint-inize Trayvon and the Gentle Giant, according to you.

Don’t you want truth, instead?

[kingu]

So you’d be just fine with BLM agents massacring armed protestors at the Bundy ranch then, right? After all, they were armed, they were not complying with orders from officers, and the MIGHT have reached for a gun. Contemplate your argument, then think what happens if every police officer applies that arbitrary definition of what you might do.

[justlurking]

Correct. Local Sheriff stated he did not issue Castile a CCW, nor had Castile applied / asked for one form his department.

He did not have a CCW.

Hold on, there. Your first statement can be true, but it doesn't mean your second statement follows.

I asked about this earlier. In MN, you apply at your local sheriff's office. But, Castile lived in both Ramsey and Hennepin County.

The shooting occurred in Ramsey County. He could have applied for it in Hennepin County, then moved to Ramsey. It would remain valid until renewal time.

It may turn out that he didn't have a CCW/CHL. But, the Ramsey County Sheriff doesn't have the last word on it.

[fr_freak]

Combine that with the fact that this woman began to film everything calmly and upload the video to facebook while the boyfriend is dying beside her.

I don't pretend to know all that went on here, but I do know that the word on the street (the internet street) is to film every interaction with police precisely in order to catch the bad moments. I imagine the black folks are even more motivated to do this, what with the whole black lives matter thing and all. My guess is that the idea to film wasn't a spontaneous thought, but the result of the constant drum of "film everything! film everything!"

As to how she could appear so calm - I think people sometimes fail to realize that many women are fully capable of being with a man while not giving a damn about him or his loss, any more than they might care about losing one of the workhorses on the farm (as long as there is a replacement workhorse nearby).

[kingu]

So, it ok to saint-inize Trayvon and the Gentle Giant, according to you.

Wow, seriously? I say the facts are what matters, not the demonization or 'sainthood' that idiots are giving. Trayvon was beating on an armed man. He died for his stupidity. Now how the hell does that relate to a man sitting restrained in a car with no weapon pointed at anyone?

Seriously, we need to stop acting stupid and realize those law enforcement guns will be coming after us shortly if they can simply kill anyone with just a claim that they 'might' have been about to do something.

[kingu]

If we lived in Mayberry, circa 1950, then your argument might have some validity. But, as it is, your argument/position is a purely academic, and utterly irrelevant, one.

No, that's your argument, please don't assign your viewpoint to mine. You want to dismiss my viewpoint as being naive, I get that. Now tell me if you'd be in jail if you did it. Now explain why there's different laws for cops vs you.

I'll wait.

[VerySadAmerican]

I’m with you. Way too many “conservatives” who believe cops are never wrong. One day they might be pulled over and shot because they reached down to scratch their balls. For some reason lots of people think it’s wonderful for the cops to be judge and executioner.

And notice those posting on here stating the woman started filming before the car was pulled over. A bold faced lie!

[VerySadAmerican]

If this cop truly believed he had pulled over an armed robbery suspect he would have waited for back up.

And just because it was daylight does not mean a cop won’t pull you over for a broken tail light. If they see broken glass they will pull you over. That’s probably what he told the woman.

But after he lost control and shot a guy four time then allowed the man to bleed to death when it was obvious the guy was no longer a threat then he makes up the story about the robbery suspect. I imagine lots of people can look like robbery suspects if that’s needed.

[ladyjane]

Castile wasn't shot because he was black, it was because he was a CHL/CCW holder...

It's not clear that is true. No evidence yet that he had a permit.

[justlurking]

The article specifically states that both his and his passengers' profiles were tracked down, and that he was most definitely a Crip gang member.

I read the article, and it's a lot of innuendo. No facts.

There's no evidence whatsoever that he was a valid CCW permit holder.

At this point, all we have are the media reports from family members. According to the victim's mother, both her son and her daughter hold CHL/CCW permits.

The state is prohibited from releasing that info, and the current local sheriff isn't necessarily where he would have applied for the permit.

It's not proof, but it's a lot more than what you have for character assassination.

Now, all of what you say may turn out to be true. But at the moment, it's a very thin thread, especially when compared to the video.

[jjsheridan5]

I'll wait.

You raise such a silly and sophomoric point, that you won't have to wait long. Your "argument" (using terms lightly, here), is that because I would go to jail for doing what the police officer did, then so too should the police officer. Think, for a moment, how utterly stupid an argument that is: you are really giving people the task of enforcing the law, and then giving them no actions which are uniquely permissible by virtue of their duty. Not even worthy of a response.

Even back in the 1980s, in a predominantly white, safe suburb, we were told by both drivers ed teachers, and also other adults, to never reach for your wallet when the officer has pulled you over, unless you are quite certain that that is what he wanted you to do. (Also, we were told to never reach under the seat, even if the officer hadn't yet arrived at the car). And I distinctly remember the in-car teacher saying to put both hands on the steering wheel when pulled over, because, if you don't, then the officer would know that you are not reaching for a weapon. He said, and I quote, "otherwise you might get shot". We knew he was serious. We also knew that it wasn't wrong then, and it isn't wrong now.

We knew, as kids, something you never learned. I pity you. The police serve a very difficult function, and are to be given respect, and also to be given leeway, since they are in a uniquely vulnerable and dangerous position, and, they are doing it for our collective benefit. Deserving of respect and gratitude. You? Not so much.

[justlurking]

It's not clear that is true. No evidence yet that he had a permit.

Other than statements by both the passenger and the victim's mother.

Question: why would his mother say that both her son AND daughter had permits, if it wasn't true? I can understand trying to cover for her son after the fact, but why would she paint a target on her daughter's back if it wasn't true?

[justlurking]

If this cop truly believed he had pulled over an armed robbery suspect he would have waited for back up.

Actually, he did pull them over because the driver looked like the robbery suspect.

Just before the traffic stop, the officer radioed that he was about to do so for an ID check because he resembled the suspect.

[Sir Napsalot]

>>> Now how the hell does that relate to a man sitting restrained in a car with no weapon pointed at anyone?

Don’t you want to find out what happened BEFORE a man sitting restrained in a car with no weapon pointed at anyone was shot?

We only have his girlfriend’s one-sided version. But I also want to find out about the truth, including the dead man’s background. How is that demonizing him?

[justlurking]

Even back in the 1980s, in a predominantly white, safe suburb, we were told by both drivers ed teachers, and also other adults, to never reach for your wallet when the officer has pulled you over, unless you are quite certain that that is what he wanted you to do.

We don't have a body camera, and only have a witness.

But, she has said that Castile was asked for ID, and he was reaching for it when shot. At some point during the encounter, he informed the officer that he was armed.

If that's the way it happened, then it was miscommunication, aggravated by a previous event that had the officer on edge.

This is why I think body cameras should be mandatory, because it would settle the issue immediately. We have them in my city, and they've been very helpful.

[VerySadAmerican]

I guess you missed my point. A cop can always radio in and say he’s stopping a car because one of the occupants looks like a robbery suspect. They HAVE to say why they’re stopping the car. You know they’re not going to say “I’m making a profile stop of a couple of black people, er, I mean, these two look like robbery suspects”.

[Paradox]

If this cop truly believed he had pulled over an armed robbery suspect he would have waited for back up.

Sadly, statements like this are what happens when people don't have enough of the facts, and just start popping off. Works for BLM...

In fact, it is confirmed that the cop did believe he might be the robbery suspect.

[RightFighter]

Do you have any source at all which says he drew a gun and aimed it at anyone?

I want to make sure I understand your thinking. You're suggesting that an officer has to wait until a gun is drawn and pointed at him before he can react? Please explain to me how that works.