Posted on 07/07/2016 9:31:50 AM PDT by impimp
This is for free trade globalists only. Specifically, to post here you need to adhere to the following viewpoint: 1. You want Trump to be President. 2. You are in favor of increased trade and want more trade deals and find Trumps rhetoric troubling. 3. You are a trade globalist but not an immigration globalist. You like Trumps views on immigration.
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I’d say read his book Art of the Deal. Then I’d say we can have free trade as long as it’s with free economies in free countries. Period. I’m not a fan of the agree or die threads btw.
Can a free trade agnostic join?
I think you misunderstand. People like me advocate for more trade and we don’t discriminate against countries based on how “free” they are. In fact one of the reasons our views are so right is that trading with poorer countries with cheaper labor helps us get our goods cheaper here in the USA.
Interesting thread idea.
I’m in favor of free trade, but not all trade deals are about free trade. Case in point: TTIP is a gross assault on freedom and self-determination.
If people want to sell me their stuff cheap and it meets code, then why should the government be allowed to butt in? Free trade is freedom of association, writ large.
In Trump’s case: I think he’s establishing a position in order to get a better deal in trade negotiations.
Two types of Trade Globalists:
A. Reduce or remove tariffs, regulations and other barriers to trade. Do this with a 1 to 3 page Treaty.
B. Standardize and increase taxes, regulations and other barriers to trade. Change national regulations into international regulations.
Do this with a trans-national organization (EU, UN, XX) that considers the wishes of labor union, environmental, political correctness and donations to worthy causes by global business in setting regulations that pick winners and losers ... all to benefit the greater good, of course.
The Reagan administration wrote a short NAFTA as #1. The Bush and Clinton Administrations and Canada and Mexico turned NAFTA into a Christmas tree for special interests. The only Free Trade left in NAFTA was in the name.
Any trade deal that has many pages, with many side agreements and addendum is #2 and should be opposed.
Sure. The caucus moderators may be closely monitoring the thread for non-compliant posts.
Shouldn’t this be posted in Religion for the dollar worshipers caucus?
Great point. We oppose number 2 and like number 1 from your post. Do you suppose Trump has a similar view or does he oppose 1 and 2? A true trade globalist wouldn’t complain about Mexican and Chinese factories.
Very well said spintreebob.
There’s only one question regarding any facet of international relations that needs to be answered: Is it good for the United States of America? If so, I support. If not, I oppose.
I propose that the trade agreements should be BILATERAL. If there are more than 2 countries in the agreement you begin to increase the potential harm of the agreement.
I still like NAFTA and I would not focus on changing it. I would prefer that we focus future efforts on bilateral as opposed to modifying old agreements.
This is why I like trade agreements. More wealth leads to stronger military. Economics is war by other means.
It is also noteworthy that having a trade agreement makes nations far less likely to go to war.
I propose that trade agreements (and indeed any treaty) must not be secret.
Any such treaty must be declared illegal ab initio.
Still flogging this scam?
Depends on how you define free trade. What we have today is not free trade. Everyone cheats on the trade deals and screws us. Things like TPP give away our sovereignty.
None of that is free trade
Norman Angell made precisely that point in 1909 in his work The Great Illusion that the interconnectedness of the economies of Europe made it highly unlikely there would ever again be a great war in Europe.
A. What is "free trade".
B. Give us an example of an existing international market that conforms to A.
Whatever your definition.
Free American workers CANNOT compete with Chinese prison labour.
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