Posted on 04/25/2016 4:34:42 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
Just received my new debit card from my bank. It has a chip in it. Is this the Mark of the Beast?
Beat me to it.
I keep my AMEX in a foil slip since they added the chip, as a remote scanning precaution.
999—Mark of the Beast written by someone with rotational dyslexia.
Revelation says that keeping the number leads to eternal damnation.. Let’s say there is a one percent chance that your social security (read: number you need for just about everything) is that number... I guess you’ll chance it?
“Let’s say there is a one percent chance that your social security (read: number you need for just about everything) is that number... I guess you’ll chance it?”
Well, there’s a zero percent chance, so I’m not worried.
Right. The number will show up and it will have a flashing neon warning sign attached. That’s how things usually work out when Satan is involved...
Look at the fine print in your credit-card agreement. If there is anything in there about you selling your soul to Satan, then yes, you should be worried.
It definitely takes longer than the old ones. They’re putting my local grocer out of business with lines around the store at busy times.
Nah - that would be something on/in your person. Have had a card with chip for 6 months or so and no problems - supposedly better security and the card company has a site where you can sign in and look at your charges/pending charges, etc. to see if there are issues. They also have a program where you can sign up for alerts and other protections.
Lol! I’ll remember that one.
No, but we can be certain that the mark will conform to the prophecy, and your social security number theory most certainly does not.
Certainly it does. Card in hand, number in head... Forever. You couldn’t forget it if you wanted to.
Well, let’s look at the verses in question, instead of your erroneous summary of them, shall we?:
“16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”
Revelation 13:16-18
Now, contrary to your assertion, the text says nothing about a card, rather, it talks about a “mark”. The text says that “he” (the beast) causes all people to receive this mark, in their head OR their hand (not both). Verse 17 tells us that people are unable to buy or sell unless they have this mark OR the number or name of the beast. This seems to imply that the mark and number/name of the beast are interchangeable, perhaps because they are the same, or perhaps because they fulfill the same function.
Now, none of this fits your theory. As I already pointed out, social security numbers are only issued to US residents, and you are not required to have them, nor are your required to have one in order to buy or sell. The mark, on the other hand, applies to everyone in the world, and you are required to have one, and required to have one in order to buy or sell.
Wow... You’re awful sure of translations there, aren’t you Boogie? You can’t allow the possibility that a mark is the number stamped on the card WITH YOU SIGNATURE? Or that your brain is “marked” with a number that follows you for the rest of your life? With a “number” that is NEAR UNIVERSAL for all intents and purposes? The fact that you will not even allow for the possibility that a social security number IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST is proof that you are terrified of being wrong... As you should be.
“Wow... You’re awful sure of translations there, aren’t you Boogie?”
Certainly, the Greek language is no big mystery, so there isn’t any reason to believe a simple word like that would be mistranslated. Besides, we have the testimonies of the church fathers on the subject which attest that the early copies of the book contained the same word, so it can’t be argued that there was some copying error over the centuries. These type of lame arguments are the last resort of someone who is fixated on reading a preferred interpretation INTO the text, rather than simply accepting what the text says.
“The fact that you will not even allow for the possibility that a social security number IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST is proof that you are terrified of being wrong... “
Sorry, it’s completely illogical to think that the mark, which is applied to EVERYONE ON THE PLANET could be equivalent to a social security number, which isn’t even applied to everyone in one country on the planet. I’m not “terrified of being wrong”, because I haven’t advanced any theory as to what the mark will be, so there is nothing for me to be proven wrong about. Your theory is already demonstrated to be wrong, all that remains is for you to accept that fact, or decide to favor your own fantasies over the clear words of Scripture. The choice is yours.
Where does it say everyone the planet again?
Well, you have to read more than just those 3 verses to understand that. The beginning of the chapter describes the appearance of the first “beast”, and we learn in verses 7-8:
“7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.”
So the first beast rules over all people and nations on the earth, and they all worship him (except for the saints).
Next, we are introduced to the second “beast” (usually identified with the “false prophet” discussed elsewhere), and we learn in verse 12:
“12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.”
This second figure has all the power and authority of the first, so he must also exercise authority over all nations in the world. This is reinforced in verse 14, where we learn this figure is deceiving “them that dwell on the earth”, stated two times:
“14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.”
It is this same figure that in verse 16 “causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads”. There is no change between any of these verses to indicate that somehow the scope of his power or actions has become limited or reduced. Everything that is done in this chapter concerns every inhabitant of the planet earth.
So you’re happy being forced to use a number for your entire life, as long as it’s not a number assigned by the beast... as you believe him to be.
Good luck
“So you’re happy being forced to use a number for your entire life...”
Huh? Who is forcing me? There is no law saying I must get a social security number.
There are things I could not do without one, certainly. However, that is true for a zillion things you can think of, such as an automobile, a permanent residence, a bank account, a high school diploma, good hygiene, social relationships, etc. One can choose to live without any of those things, yet you would also bear the consequences in lost opportunities and unnecessary hardship.
Anyway, if you object to social security numbers, by all means, object to them, protest them, speak your mind. I just don’t think it’s right to try and twist scripture to justify your personal animosity towards them.
You’re making my point. Force ... The beast shall cause... Not force. He uses deception always. And most, including you, have been deceived into a contract with him. Question: where is retirement mentioned in the Bible?
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