Posted on 04/07/2016 2:44:55 PM PDT by patlin
I agree 100% as long as BOTH parents are US citizens at the time the child is born.
Agree. And if his father was Davis, then he’s an American anyway.
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“There is obviously a need for clarification. In the absence of a judicial interpretation, Congress can express a legislative interpretation of Constitutional terms. We should not wait for an election to be challenged and the courts to decide what ‘natural born’ means.
before this descends into the usual shouting match with the Cruisers... about who and who is not a natural born citizen .....here's the point....
what I underlined is ....that door is open to challenge him.....that door is open to take him to court ...and if Cruz is the guy that you think he is .....that he going to try to break the DC establishment power structure .........then he will not have friends in Court.....
with Obamacare with gay marriage with the weighting of the court right now with Scalia gone ......we already know the court is bias to vote what the DC power structure wants .......they have room to rule Cruz ineligible...... and 8 years of birthers going after Obama on his birth certificate has prepared the public's mind for that kind of ruling... there will not be any kind of outrage
if DC power need to remove Cruz via a Supreme Court ruling he not and NBC ..they will.... if the Dem just want to remove Cruz to open the door to Hillary via a US Supreme Court ruling he not an NBC. They will
but they with "sandbag" this up until the point Cruz is done doing there dirty work (wittingly or unwittingly) ...and right now that dirty work is blocking Trump ....then they pulled the plug on Cruz... when they when it hurts the most ....when the pots the biggest payout
“natural born Citizen”, natural, not of mans’law, statute, precedent, obvious, not under question.
AKA... A CONTESTED CONVENTION... so it is no wonder they have been beating this drum for weeks now!!!
-—“natural born Citizen”, natural, not of mans’law, statute, precedent, obvious, not under question.
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Are you sure? When I met my wife she was a brunette, then miraculously sometime in the mid 80’s she became blonde overnight, and insists to this day that she is “natural blonde”
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... and I agree with your definition. The founders used simple wording, that would NOT need a Harvard Lawyer to interpret on purpose.
It is only later, when lawyers and those with their own agenda do things become muddled.
Cruze will never get my vote, because the founders did not mean Chinese-Born / Russian-Born / Mexican-Born or Canadian-Born when they said “Natural Born”. Of that I am certain, and it will set precedence (you know the kind that Supreme Court Scholar Cruz knows all about), allowing nearly everyone to become POTUS, regardless of where they were born or raised.
-PJ
Actually Congress just chose to remain silent for fear of being called racist.
Two or three of us won't be enough. The Sheeple don't seem to care enough to get off their collective butts.
well of course ......who who flips his cards if he’s got a winning hand .... before the pots at its biggest... that’s just stupid.... you wait until everybody is pushed in... you wait to the last moment .....you sucker them in and then lower the Boom
I swear terms “Cruisers” and “useful idiots” are about become synonymous and interchangeable for the rest of our lives
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bkmk
Cruz, like McCain, was introduced as a spoiler. As his and Obama’s Con. Law professor, Larry Tribe pronounced in the Boston Globe, Cruz argued the oritinalist or conservative constitutionalist position as one of his best students. Yes, every Senator signed Senate Res 511, in which Judge and DHS Chair Chertoff pronounce the “born to parents who were citizens” requirement, and Larry repeated the jus soli - born on our soil - part of the requirement.
The strategy appears to be to define Cruz, who worked for, and currently includes, Bush family operatives at key positions on his committee. Cruz offers enough to naïve conservatives to throw a convention to the party controllers. They have already identified their likely candidate, Paul Ryan. It doesn’t matter who they chose. It simply can’t be Trump. Trump probably doesn’t have hidden treasures in Panama. He doesn’t owe anyone, as Cruz may, and Roberts appears to. Remember, from the refreshing honesty of Congresswoman Sheila Jackson, the exhaustive database containing every detail of the lives of our senior government officials. We are governed by corruption. Trump is a threat because his brand of corruption is already very public.
Cruz’ connection with Goldman Saches, with the CFR, with open boarders, the globalists with whom he grew up, are there, for those who look. He was a Canadian citizen when he became a Senator. His triple or quadruple citizenship at birth is no secret, but like Obama, neither party’s untouchables will talk talk about it. Should one of them get bold, he/she will be reminded of Georgia’s Nathan Deal, who wrote an open letter to the White House demanded by his constituents and got his answer in the form of an IRS probe and letter from the Congressional Ethics committee. Cruz is doing his job for the powerful private corporation known as the Republican Party.
Cruz will disappear into the money machines of global banking after his moment of usefulness. He knows, better than most, the beliefs of our founders and framers and diplomats, Paine, Franklin, Hamilton, Jay, and Justices Jay, Marshall, Waite, Gray, Hughes, Black, and 14th Amendment author Bingham. Cruz, unlike most law school graduates, may have read Vattel and Pufendorf and Bynkershoek. He knows that all of these whose ideas he once defended, lauded, know Cruz cannot be a Constitutional president, unless we accept that the Constitution, as written, and decisions of the Supreme Court may be reversed by the legislature and executive. He knows the truth. So does Tribe’s other student, Barack Obama, but Barack didn’t have to throw himself on the sword of history by lying about his citizenship status.
Obama correctly defined himself as “native-born”, but never a natural born citizen. Native-born comes from the language of the 14th Amendment meaning born on our soil. He knew his alien father violated the constitution, but Barack, like Larry Tribe, told us he doesn’t regard the Constitution as current law. He subscribes, like Larry, to a “Living Constitution”. He told us long before he was “made” president, that to valid he wanted to add a block of positive rights, as FDR told us he wished to do.
I would say that "that is beyond their power." Man cannot make something "natural".
dear patlin,
I agree with your summation.
And that is why James Kent so rightly wrote in his treatises on the Constitution and American Law that while all born on the soil are natives, not all natives are natural born citizens.
So Congress can change the meanings of words in the Constitution... Who knew?
Everybody who's been paying attention. Courts do the same thing, subvert the constitution that is.
Actually, from the dates I see on these Bills, they would most certainly seem to intended to benefit nobama, but of course in bizarro world they trying to put the fix in for Cruz a decade before he would even run for the Senate........some damn fine pre planning there!
The dates of the bills range from 1973 to 2008, so no, they were not meant for Obama, they were meant for the globalization of the US and the destruction of our national sovereignty that resides in the citizenry at large. Destroy the constitutional meaning of citizenship, destroy sovereignty and then we are all ‘globalists’ now.
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