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To: Ransomed

It probably did happen then. We just didn’t hear about it as much. In this internet world with 3 24/7 “news” network there’s no longer any such thing as local news, everything is national is enough people share it on Facebook. So in the 50s if some park in Philadelphia was over run with perverts people in Chicago and LA would probably never hear about it, now we will. Remember the first production of West Side Story was in 1957, so anybody thinking that era lacked things like youth violence and sex needs to explain how a 1950s audience could even understand a Broadway musical about these thing (well OK it was the 50s so they just kissed). I just saw a story saying Kitty Genovese’s killer died, that was 1964, not long after this article’s supposed golden era, populated by largely the same people, who did nothing.

The 1950s had serial killers and rapists and perverts just like any other time in human history, it just didn’t have a media that splashed that kind of stuff in your face 24/7.


104 posted on 04/07/2016 11:06:59 AM PDT by discostu (This unit not labeled for individual sale)
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To: discostu

I can maybe see that argument working for things like child abduction, as in we have always had that but now get whipped into froth about it by the media. But I don’t buy that for the public parks and rest stops being bastions of male homo hook ups. Sure, it probably happened at lot more than we think it did back then, but not on the scale it does now, right?

I don’t think it would be tolerated back then, even if news of it never got out of the locality. The folks who go clean up don’t even condemn the behavior, or at least they didn’t in the articles I have seen about it. It was more like they blamed society for making gay men hide their love, which completely misses the point of sure, free anonymous sex in a neutral locality.

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109 posted on 04/07/2016 11:42:10 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: discostu
"I just saw a story saying Kitty Genovese’s killer died, that was 1964, not long after this article’s supposed golden era, populated by largely the same people, who did nothing."

Well the myth is that 38 neighbors heard her being raped and murdered and did nothing, but they were unfairly maligned. What actually happened is somewhat different.

"Genovese had driven home from her job early in the morning of March 13, 1964. Arriving home around 3:15 a.m., she parked in the Long Island Rail Road parking lot about 100 feet from her apartment's door, located in an alleyway at the rear of the building. As she walked toward the building, Moseley approached her. Frightened, Genovese began to run across the parking lot and toward the front of her building. Moseley ran after her, quickly overtook her, and stabbed her twice in the back.

Genovese screamed, "Oh my God, he stabbed me! Help me!" Several neighbors heard her cry but, on a cold night with the windows closed, only a few of them recognized the sound as a cry for help. When Robert Mozer, one of the neighbors, shouted at the attacker "Let that girl alone!" Moseley ran away and Genovese slowly made her way toward the rear entrance of her apartment building. She was seriously injured, but now out of view of any witnesses.

Records of the earliest calls to police are unclear and were not given a high priority by the police. One witness said his father called police after the initial attack and reported that a woman was "beat up, but got up and was staggering around".

Other witnesses observed Moseley enter his car and drive away, only to return ten minutes later. In his car, he changed to a wide-brimmed hat to shadow his face. He systematically searched the parking lot, train station, and an apartment complex. Eventually, he found Genovese, who was lying, barely conscious, in a hallway at the back of the building where a locked doorway had prevented her from entering the building. Out of view of the street and of those who may have heard or seen any sign of the original attack, Moseley stabbed Genovese several more times. Knife wounds in her hands suggested that she attempted to defend herself from him.

While Genovese lay dying, Moseley raped her. He stole about $49 from her and left her in the hallway. The attacks spanned approximately half an hour. Afterwards, "Genovese, still alive, lay in the arms of a neighbor named Sophia Farrar, who had courageously left her apartment to go to the crime scene, even though she had no way of knowing that [Moseley] had fled"

Kitty Genovese. her murderer Walter Moseley


110 posted on 04/07/2016 11:48:30 AM PDT by Pelham (A refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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