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Donald Trump can’t keep his H-1B/H-2B immigration lies straight any more
RedState ^ | March 4th, 2016 | Moe Lane

Posted on 03/04/2016 8:32:02 AM PST by ConservingFreedom

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To: ConservingFreedom
I think people are confusing a bunch of issues here.

First our current immigration system is based on family unification, with absolutely no standards other than DNA.

The H-1B program is for non-immigrants and should be eliminated for the reasons sited in the article.

If our objective is the bring in highly educated immigrants then we need to scrap the family unification preferences and shift to a education and skills based preference.

Right now our immigration system is designed to import poverty and cheep labor.

41 posted on 03/04/2016 11:01:14 AM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

With Sessions acting as his adviser and consultant, I’m confident he will make good decisions once he has all the facts.

I’m not sure I understand why people want to lock Trump in (or Cruz, Rubio) to policies if the candidates are admitting they have re-analyzed and come up with a different answer.

Everyone still has free choice to then decide whether to support or not.


42 posted on 03/04/2016 11:10:42 AM PST by unsycophant
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To: ConservingFreedom
Re: “They’ll go to Harvard, they’ll go to Stanford, they’ll go to Wharton, as soon as they’re finished they’ll get shoved out. They want to stay in this country. They want to stay here desperately, they’re not able to stay here.”

Totally false.

Almost all the elite foreign students who graduate from elite USA universities come from western Europe, Japan, Can-Aus-NZ, and the oil rich Persian Gulf.

They return home to their native countries because the pay scale and standard of living are the same or better than the USA.

If elite foreign graduates do stay in the USA, they are forced to compete for jobs against thousands of badly paid, completely average foreign students from China, India, Russia, and eastern Europe, who LEGALLY do stay in the USA.

Bottom Line - 80% of elite foreign PH.Ds return to their home country voluntarily. 80% of “average” foreign PH.Ds, who attend “average” USA universities, work in the USA for at least five years.

43 posted on 03/04/2016 11:13:41 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: unsycophant

I agree and I’m always a little leery of candidates who have everything already figured out before they get elected.

I am voting for Trump because I think he is a natural born problem solver who will go to DC and gather experts together to figure it out and fix the problems.


44 posted on 03/04/2016 11:19:31 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Political Junkie Too
The south Florida "snowbird Season" is from October to March. It's not just Trump's hotel, but ALL the hotels along the Treasure Coast region of South Florida, that are drawing on the local population for low-skilled seasonal temporary labor.

And there's an inalienable natural right to cheap snowbirding? It's vital to our national defense or something?

It's not about cheap hospitality labor, it's about not enough local hospitality labor to go around.

The H-2Bs are also not local - but they work for less than Americans would ... so yes it is about cheap labor.

45 posted on 03/04/2016 12:53:10 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: sickoflibs
This is NOTHING compared to the reversals that are coming.

Perhaps this was just a trial balloon, so The Donald could gauge whether his minions were ready for the Great Switcheroo yet.

46 posted on 03/04/2016 12:55:46 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: ConservingFreedom
You are talking nonsense. What do you mean by "also not local?" I never said anything about "not local" labor, I said no local seasonal labor so you have to look elsewhere.

-PJ

47 posted on 03/04/2016 1:01:30 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
no local seasonal labor so you have to look elsewhere.

And "elsewhere" can be within the United States, where a patriot would look ... or in foreign countries, where The Donald and his Cheap Labor cronies look.

48 posted on 03/04/2016 1:06:54 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: ConservingFreedom
You don't get it, or you don't want to.

You are not going to find many Americans from elsewhere willing to uproot themselves for five months at Thanksgiving/Christmas to be a minimum wage maid, waiter, or bartender at a Florida hotel, just to go back home again in March. It's just not worth it to the American who lives far away. This is not permanent work, nor is it skilled work.

The H-2B hospitality workers that Trump and other hoteliers bring over are young college-age students willing to learn the hospitality industry so they can go back home and find jobs at local hotels and restaurants. It's also why cruise ships have so many workers from poor countries.

I understand that you want to be outraged, but the H-2B is not the place. I'm with you about the H-1B abuses.

-PJ

49 posted on 03/04/2016 1:29:52 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
You are not going to find many Americans from elsewhere willing to uproot themselves for five months at Thanksgiving/Christmas to be a minimum wage

And right there is where the cheap labor that The Donald loves comes in.

50 posted on 03/04/2016 1:36:41 PM PST by ConservingFreedom (Trump fans:'he's no more conservative than Mitt'-www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3389209/posts)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

sadly, I dont think we will.


51 posted on 03/04/2016 1:50:07 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: ConservingFreedom
Just labor.

You keep saying cheap, but we're already talking about minimum wage work, so it can't get much cheaper than that.

-PJ

52 posted on 03/04/2016 1:52:31 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

especially when you consider how many freepers went for Romney, I was adamant against that liberal from Mass, yet so many freepers just doted on the guy

now listen to them, I would bet good money that most of the strumpets who hate romney this week couldnt run to the polls fast enough to vote for him 4 years ago.

pathetic.

tragic, actually, zero sense of discernment on what a candidate’s morality and ability is.

especially with trump.
he is a huge democrat donor, confidante’, associate...and yet, for some reason, a strong delusion has come over America, and like sheep, they are deluded into thinking his flip from the dark side to claiming he was really one of us..has them so fooled.

shameful.


53 posted on 03/04/2016 1:59:27 PM PST by RaceBannon (Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for)
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To: Political Junkie Too; ConservingFreedom
Re: “The south Florida “snowbird Season” is from October to March. It's not just Trump's hotel, but ALL the hotels along the Treasure Coast region of South Florida, that are drawing on the local population for low-skilled seasonal temporary labor.”

You forgot to mention something important.

The price of a hotel room in southeast Florida can double or even triple in February.

Why? Because there is a shortage of hotel rooms.

If there is a shortage of labor to maintain those rooms in February, Trump, and all the hotel owners, can raise the wage they pay to attract more workers.

Is that what Trump does? Of course not. Trump demands that the federal government import more foreign labor so he does not have to raise wages.

54 posted on 03/04/2016 2:13:10 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: ConservingFreedom; BillyBoy; Impy; DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
RE:” This is NOTHING compared to the reversals that are coming.
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Perhaps this was just a trial balloon, so The Donald could gauge whether his minions were ready for the Great Switcheroo yet. “

What counts is all those Dems voting for Trump in the GOP primaries in open states, not the fact that he doesn't mean at least half of what he says to do good in the polls.

Don't forget, eliminating waste, fraud and abuse will balance the budget.

He will ORDER Paul Ryan to eliminate the waste, fraud and abuse programs from the budget, OR ELSE.(Planned Parenthood excluded)

55 posted on 03/04/2016 2:32:57 PM PST by sickoflibs (Trumpetir :"He could go on a shooting spree this MF downtown and I would still worship him"')
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To: zeestephen
If you look at it from a total cost of ownership, you factor in the losses during the slow season against the gains during the peak season to get an overall profit for the year. Operating costs may go down with fewer maids, waiters, etc., but electricity, water, sewage, property taxes, licenses and permits, are fixed throughout the year. So it's not necessarily a case of raising room rates so raise wages, too. It's all factored into the annual income statement.

It's not like with the H-1B where permanent 100 $100/hr employees are replaced with $50/hr foreigners. We're talking about what, potentially displacing a $9.15/hr worker with what, a $6.50/hr worker? That is not the kind of savings that moves the needle in a company like Trump's. Heck, administrative costs are probably more than the labor savings.

This is about workers vs. no workers, not $9 workers vs. $6 workers.

Let's go somewhere else for a moment and talk about the kind of worker that is needed in the hospitality business. Over the winter holidays into March, first you have the seasonal retail workers in shops and malls. The locals will go there first, especially the older ones. The chain restaurants likely have a permanent bench of waiters/cooks, so there won't be much change here. So we're left with the luxury resort hotels.

Now, let's face it, these places want young attractive people to interact with their clientele. I hate to say this, but is the out-of-work sitting-at-home local the kind of person to be customer-facing at a luxury resort? Perhaps some, and Trump (and presumably the other hotels as well) have hired some of them. But I have to think that the eager and motivated already have jobs or are in college or just don't want those jobs.

-PJ

56 posted on 03/04/2016 2:41:30 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

“Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program’s lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities. “


57 posted on 03/04/2016 2:55:28 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: KC_for_Freedom

I think he wants to increase what the employers have to pay H1B visa holders. That is what I got out of reading his paper.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
“More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program’s lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas.”


58 posted on 03/04/2016 2:58:22 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: Political Junkie Too

My Dad owned a south Florida hotel for 30 years.

I completely understand the basic economics involved.

I’m just discussing a simple supply and demand issue.

Shortage of hotel rooms? Hotel prices go up.

Shortage of low skill labor? Wages go up.

Unless the government artificially increases the supply of low skill labor.


59 posted on 03/04/2016 3:40:36 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: sickoflibs

You mean the magic wall might be zero feet tall instead of 48 feet? Say it ain’t so!


60 posted on 03/04/2016 4:22:47 PM PST by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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