Posted on 03/03/2016 8:35:22 AM PST by Ray76
Barack Hussein Obama, John McCain, Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.
Attempting to substitute natural law for the Constitution is dangerously close to the logical fallacy of “appeal to authority”.
So let me put a very sharp point on this discussion - do you believe that the US Constitution with and including all of the amendments, constitutes the exclusive and supreme law of the land?
Statutes conferring citizenship is naturalization. There is no requirement in the Constitution defining the manner in which those statutes confer citizenship.
LePage is correct.
Just so I understand your thoughts better, here are a couple of examples:
Birth Citizenship A:
Birthplace: Any state, USABirth Citizenship B:
Father’s citizenship: American
Mother’s citizenship: American
Birthplace: Any nation other than the USADoes A = B?
Father's citizenship: Any nation’s citizenship, but NOT American
Mother's citizenship: American
In other words, are A and B identical in all aspects?
His daughters were naturalized?? What naturalization procedure did he follow?
Article II, Sec. 1, Clause 5. Read it.
Congressional grants of citizenship are naturalization. The grant may or may not require condition precedent or condition subsequent, may or may not require an oath, may or may not require a process, may or may not require registering an intent to naturalize, and so forth. Congress may specify whatever requirements they want. The requirements have varied over time.
LePage I incorrect as to his conclusion. Cruz is NBC by any constitutionally valid measure.
Peace,
SR
I’m a natural born American citizen. My wife wasn’t an American citizen or a Canadian citizen, but my daughter was born in Canada. When my wife became a citizen, my daughter was also naturalized at the same time, and given a Certificate of Naturalization.
Exactly correct.
No he’s not.
No, it’s the opposite. A /= B.
Born here on US soil, to any parents = NBC
Born outside the US, to any parents = not NBC
He didn’t need to be naturalized. He was a citizen at birth, based on his mother’s citizenship.
“A “process” is not necessary, dependence on statute is.”
So is there a statute that requires a child of a U.S. citizen to be naturalized? Because if there is one, I wasn’t aware of it, and regardless, my foreign-born daughter is a legal U.S. citizen without being naturalized.
Excellent point. The appeal to authority is typically made when logic isn’t working. The Constitution is necessarily the starting point for our law because appeals to external authority can give different results. The whole point of the Rule of Law is that it provides us with an accepted arbiter of disputes. That’s the glue that makes civilization possible. Without it, we devolve into warring tribes unable to live in peace.
But the Rule of Law requires discipline. We can’t impose non-law as if it were law without becoming lawless. Vattell and the other theories of NBC are worthy of investigation, but they do not control, nor should they control, our legal decision making process, not until such time as they are, by due process, incorporated into our laws. An amendment to the Constitution would, perhaps, resolve this. Ignoring the Constitution as it is today will resolve nothing.
Peace,
SR
Yes he is. I can keep this up all day. :)
Peace,
SR
Article 1 Section 8. Read it.
“I’m a natural born American citizen. My wife wasn’t an American citizen or a Canadian citizen, but my daughter was born in Canada. When my wife became a citizen, my daughter was also naturalized at the same time, and given a Certificate of Naturalization.”
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, my daughter was born in the Philippines and I’m a U.S. citizen by birth. She never had to be naturalized — all I did was apply for a U.S. passport and her citizenship was essentially “claimed.” The point being she was, and always has been, a U.S. citizen and never breathed a breath of air without being one. Because you chose to have your daughter naturalized does not mean it was necessary.
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