Posted on 02/23/2016 1:02:14 PM PST by relictele
Both sides in the debate about deporting illegal aliens seem to have accepted wholesale certain phrases, concepts and images.
We hear about roundups as if we're talking about lassos and runaway cattle. Advocates for illegal immigration are, as always, quick to forward the notion that apprehending criminals (yes they've committed a crime. QED.) will be akin to (all together now) Nazi Germany's arbitrary persecution, collection and detention of Jews. Cue the Photoshops and cartoons of guards, dogs, prison buses, trains, camps, groups of sad sacks with hands raised in surrender, long lines of prisoners chained together, etc.
But we're talking about government here. The same government whose idea of fixing anything is usually to throw money at it and stand around waiting for the next coffee break. Government doesn't do anything with style or even PR these days. It's a shambling grey blob.
The reality is that we identify, locate and apprehend thousands of criminals, fugitives and those with outstanding warrants for their arrest every day, all day. There are sheriff's offices in every county in America. There are US Marshals. 99% of these incidents are peaceful, even mundane. A knock on the door, a shrug of the shoulders, a reading of rights, an application of handcuffs and a ride in a car or a van. No muss, no fuss. Do some evade such enforcement? Resist violently? Of course. But as usual the public's view has been distorted by ludicrous dialogue-heavy standoffs and shootouts in Hollywood films. The vast majority of those mug shots printed in newspapers and shown on TV news were obtained during another humdrum shift by police on the streets or another humdrum shift at the regional jail.
Similar enforcement by immigration authorities will be equally humdrum and bureaucratic. Granted, locating individuals who have, intentionally or otherwise, no proper identification or records can be tricky but by the same token most of these people have been brazenly hiding in plain sight, smugly aware that La Migra pose no threat to them thanks to La Migra's cynical, craven political bosses who eagerly want to stuff the ballot box.
Besides, we are always told that the illegals are solid, peaceful, hard-working mostly law-abiding citizens (except for that pesky border-jumping/visa-violating part) who just want A Better Life (and, of course, we are obligated to give it to them) Their own mouthpieces emphatically state they are not violent, so let's take them at their word.
Deportations will involve small groups, say 10 or 12, but they might involve just a few people or even a lone individual depending on home nation or other circumstances. White vans, chartered planes, Air Force bases closed to the public and the usual drab blankness of officialdom will rob the propagandists of the sort of 40s or 60s iconography they covet to inflame passions.
The laws are already on the books. The methods and procedures for arrest are long-established. It won't be East Germany. It won't be Bosnia. It won't be Stalin's Russia. It will merely be another collar felt, paperwork done, mug shot snapped and a one-way trip home.
Goodnight Sam, Goodnight Ralph. But do it again tomorrow and the day after that.
No you got it right the first time. They will be departing this country.
And that is what will be more effective than any wall. No employment, no welfare, no anchor babies = no illegals.
But if we start deporting people who are here illegally, they might start getting the idea that we are mean people and are tired of supporting them and don’t want them here! /hand wringing
I tend to believe there would be a lot less traipsing around the country playing “Find The Illegal” if we enacted a few federal laws that would incentivize the illegals to make their own hasty exit. Something along the lines of:
1. An online employment verification system that gives the employer a court defensible receipt the worker was verified.
2. Without the verification receipt above, imprisonment and fine for any site manager and Company owner/CEO caught employing illegal labor.
3. A federal ban on any public benefit, welfare or subsidy funded by taxpayers that goes to illegals.
4. Any illegal that seeks medical attention will only receive treatment for life threatening conditions and as soon as stabilized, they will be deported (our nickle, unfortunately) to their country of origin, or of their choosing.
I think if we could do something like that, they will self-deport when they realize groceries are hard to come by when you can’t make a living or get govt handouts.
“...Build the damned wall...”
I agree that the wall should definitely be built just for the symbolism. But let’s face it, illegal border crossers have figured out how to get around, over or under any obstacle we’ve emplaced so far. The wall may slow them down, but it won’t stop them. We have to remove the incentives that draw them here like 0bama draws flies...
Excellent picture of what an effective wall and law enforcement can do!
Pres. Eisenhower was effective at deporting illegals WITHOUT building a wall! He realized that there was a “significant ethical lapse” involving large scale breakdown of law enforcement, intervention by politicians at the highest levels (such as Lyndon Johnson), exploitation of ranchers/ farmers paying ~ 1/2 the prevailing wages for a citizen to do the same job and possible corruption in some border enforcement officials near the border. That potential for corruption must be far greater today with the huge amounts of money changing hands with the current levels of pot, meth and heroin crossing the borders...
Therefore, one of the 1st steps required was to remove and reassign some immigration enforcement officials to posts far from the border where their political connections would have no effect.
That is INCREDIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To solve the immigration problem you have to solve the welfare problem.
If there is no huge welfare package for illegals there is no reason to even build the wall.
Do those things and illegal aliens will deport themselves and pay for the trip. Motivation is a powerful force.
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