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Trump’s Not a Conservative Icon, and I Don’t Care!
Canada Free Press ^ | 02/12/16 | Jim O'Neill

Posted on 02/12/2016 8:29:55 AM PST by Sean_Anthony

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To: gogeo

By successful, I assume you mean guided by conservative principles (Obama is a successful President by his own standards).

If Trump leads this country guided by conservative principles, I would be thrilled. Absolutely thrilled, and I would work very hard for his re-election.


101 posted on 02/12/2016 9:38:35 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: WatchOutForSnakes

What other GOP candidate has shown that’s a hill they were willing to die on?


102 posted on 02/12/2016 9:39:04 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the GOPee does not want you.)
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To: Carina in OC
In short, yes. He has explained the many reasons that would be counter-productive, even futile.

As I understand his reasoning, he wants to keep people guessing. I just never thought having a politician -- because that's what he is now -- trying to keep voters guessing as to what he really means was something that would ever be worthy of support.

If you are not on board with him, that is fine. Enough of us are that Jake Tapper of CNN said he recognized early on that Trump will be the nominee—and, imo, our next President.

Sure. If Trump is going to win in such a landslide that the votes of concerned conservatives in the general election aren't important, then I suppose there's no reason for him to address those concerns by folks like me who won't vote for him in the general election.

103 posted on 02/12/2016 9:39:30 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Reagan Disciple

None of the candidates are perfect. I gravitated towards Trump because of his bold stance on immigration and free trade. He stuck his neck out (losing business from being called racist, etc) and I will stick out my neck in return.


104 posted on 02/12/2016 9:39:52 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Sean_Anthony

“Trump is a philosophically unmoored political opportunist who would trash the broad conservative ideological consensus within the GOP in favor of a free-floating populism with strong-man overtones”

There you have it. History is replete with the commoner’s love for kings.


105 posted on 02/12/2016 9:40:30 AM PST by HockeyPop
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To: stratboy

“Or you could vote for the 3 year neophyte senator”

Yes, I’ll support the 3 year Senator who actually stood on the Senate floor and called McConnell a liar to his face. The same one Schumer cries about being responsible for killing the Gang of 8 Amnesty bill. Yes, I’ll support the one person the establishment hates more than Donald Trump.


106 posted on 02/12/2016 9:42:43 AM PST by Durbin
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To: gogeo
That’s a very fair assessment. IMO, it comes down to a gut call. Remembering, of course, that the options are not Trump or some theoretical perfect candidate.

Right. As I said in my first post, I'm not a guy who believes in ideological purity. As of right now, I just have too many unanswered questions. Maybe if he wins the nomination, he'll be more clear during the general election.

107 posted on 02/12/2016 9:42:48 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Trumpinator
Understood. And I gravitate toward Cruz because he's the purest Constitutionalist running and stood up to McConnell and his ilk on the floor of the Senate without apologies.

So we let the primary process play out and see what happens.

108 posted on 02/12/2016 9:42:59 AM PST by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: Sean_Anthony

Jeb B. Robot Rubio, Kasich the mailman’s son have all been declared conservatives. I sure do not want any of these types of conservatives in the White House. I would much rather have a pragmatist or somebody in the middle who protects our borders, stops influx of dangerous Muslims, and knows how to create jobs.


109 posted on 02/12/2016 9:44:00 AM PST by apocalypto
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To: Sean_Anthony
If truth be told-Ted Cruz IS who everyone wants Donald Trump to be.

Trump is supposed to be the stand up, take no prisoners, tough guy- But in reality he's a deal maker who likes Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi, but who calls Ted Cruz a nasty person.

If Trump is admitting he's not conservative-We should be asking: What kind of "deals", to get exactly what kind of "things" done, will Trump be making with the Democrats?

That's not a question we have to ask about Ted Cruz.

We know he stands firmly on the conservative-small government side of issues.

110 posted on 02/12/2016 9:44:26 AM PST by Pajamajan ( Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: Trumpinator
A little odd but good people.

I've been thinking "true conservatives" and libertarians have a lot in common.

111 posted on 02/12/2016 9:45:46 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the GOPee does not want you.)
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To: Reagan Disciple
Understood. And I gravitate toward Cruz because he's the purest Constitutionalist running and stood up to McConnell and his ilk on the floor of the Senate without apologies.

So we let the primary process play out and see what happens.

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To my mind, a constitutional lawyer like Cruz belongs in the Senate. The president can't legislate. Trump as an executive and Cruz as a senator would be the best outcome. One would pass the law and the other executes it. I am the first to call Cruz a brilliant lawyer. His actual foray into politics has actually dumbed-down Cruz.

112 posted on 02/12/2016 9:47:16 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Pajamajan
Trump is supposed to be the stand up, take no prisoners, tough guy- But in reality he's a deal maker who likes Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi, but who calls Ted Cruz a nasty person.

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The constitution and our Founding Fathers were deal makers. That original intent conservatives don't get that is hilarious to me. Also, some here think - because maybe they have no big deal experience - a deal is when each side gets 50/50. Sometimes the deal is skewed to benefit one side over the other. There will be deals the next president has to do - the constitution is designed to force you to make deals - but Trump can make the deal more favorable to his way of thinking.

113 posted on 02/12/2016 9:50:18 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Trumpinator
And I would say that someone who excels in the private sector doesn't necessarily translate the same success in public sector, especially president where the decisions are not entirely his to make.

Bloomberg is a great example of that.

114 posted on 02/12/2016 9:51:25 AM PST by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: yuleeyahoo
Yes sir. Conservatism is not an end in itself. The ability to enjoy and live this limited time I have here is my aim. Stick two "conservatives" at a table and you'll get three opinions and an argument, ending with accusations of insufficient purity.

If that's what being "sufficiently conservative" entails, no thank you.

115 posted on 02/12/2016 9:53:09 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the GOPee does not want you.)
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To: Trumpinator

Trump has a booze with his name on it. But claims he does not drink. WC Fields often repeated this accusation; Never trust a man who claims he never drinks.
I wholeheartedly agree.


116 posted on 02/12/2016 9:55:38 AM PST by mosesdapoet (My best insights get lost in FR's becaus e of meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
If you came to the conclusion in your own mind that Donald Trump was not guided by conservative principles, would that cause your support for him to waver?

I started off with that conclusion. I didn't want him in the race. I couldn't take him seriously. He has won me over a little at a time. "Halt all Muslim immigration" sealed the deal.

I am a single-issue voter this time around.

117 posted on 02/12/2016 9:57:45 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: traderrob6

Let us not forget many of the worst leaders in history have been populist/nationalists which Trump has self admitted he is.


Can you provide the link where he says “I am a populist/nationalist?”

He has self-admitted, and I would like to see it, but my search skills are not that good... Thank you.


119 posted on 02/12/2016 9:59:38 AM PST by Freedom56v2
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To: Carina in OC
Ahh - those concessions you speak of were on the back end of him getting what he wanted. He did not give in for the sake of giving in to “get along.”

If you are willing to give up some principles to get some action then that's your prerogative.

120 posted on 02/12/2016 10:02:40 AM PST by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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