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Why Driverless Cars Will Screech to a Halt
Observer ^ | 2/9/2016 | Steven Hill

Posted on 02/09/2016 8:52:56 AM PST by PreciousLiberty

Elon Musk's Tesla recently became the latest big shot company to enter the self-driving car sweepstakes. Mr. Musk recently announced the hiring of software architecture veteran Jim Keller, who previously had played key roles at Apple and AMD, to lead its Autopilot Engineering team. Teslas move follows the recently announced partnership between General Motors and Lyft, in which the automaker is investing $500 million in the ridesharing company as part of a joint venture to develop self-driving cars.

And of course Google, Uber, Mercedes-Benz, Nissan, Apple, Audi, Bosch and Delphi Automotive (the big auto parts manufacturer) all have their own much-hyped development programs for autonomous vehicles in full swing. Forget cures for cancer, climate change or world peace, the media has made it clear that self-driving cars will be the Next Great Step in civilizations drive toward magnificence.

It's time to hit the brakes for a reality check.

Despite how much Uber CEO Travis Kalanick likes to crow about our "driverless future," outside of The Jetsons this one is...not...happening...soon. Besides the remaining technological challenges, the liability and regulatory issues involved in letting a 3,000-pound death machine steer itself with no human at the controls are huge.

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I think this guy is mostly clueless, but this is always an interesting topic worthy of discussion.

I'll expound more in the discussion area...

1 posted on 02/09/2016 8:52:56 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty

...because Agenda 21 will ban the use of private cars and have us all packed into Willie Green bullet trains by the time the technology is perfected.


2 posted on 02/09/2016 8:55:43 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: PreciousLiberty
Forget cures for cancer, climate change or world peace, the media has made it clear that self-driving cars will be the Next Great Step in civilizations drive toward magnificence.

Well, in the likely event that many cancers will never be cured, climate change is out of our control and is mostly benign, and there will be wars until the second coming, we may as well come up with cool cars. Hey, the author left out world hunger.
3 posted on 02/09/2016 8:58:23 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
because Agenda 21 will ban the use of private cars

Nah, just have so many expensive mandatory features that only the ruling class can afford/will be provided one. That way, they get the roads to themselves!
4 posted on 02/09/2016 8:59:33 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: PreciousLiberty
I am against driver less cars because the idea of personal transportation is supposed to cheap and available to the masses. We keep loading cars down with technology and EPA required equipment and pretty soon only the rich can afford to buy and keep them up. Even used the cars will be prohibitively expensive.

We don't even have driver less trains and they run on rails for heavens sake.

5 posted on 02/09/2016 9:03:12 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

We’re not that far from self-flying pods programmed to avoid collision and get you to your GPS coordinates quickly, safely, and conveniently. Going to a concert in the big city? Punch in the event and your parking space is already reserved. You may fly with or without looking outside, listen to tunes, watch TV, and drink a brew or two while in transit.

This will all be by virtue of the discovery of nuclear-magno-pneumatic velocitators, capable also of powering the average home for 100 years, no power grid necessary.


6 posted on 02/09/2016 9:04:42 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (Diversity is Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama sharing the same jail cell.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

I have no doubt driverless cars can work. But people are viewing them as simply technological constructs, completely unconnected to the society in which they operate.

For example, in my city, if driverless cars passed through certain areas, they would most definitely be objects of graffiti “tagging” at best - at worst they would be constantly vandalized, seemingly for fun, or broken into. So then you need to upgrade their protection or laws regarding tampering, etc... Overall, beyond the simple question of “will they work” - these devices then enter the social, economic, racial, environmental etc.. spheres, where technology will take a back-seat.


7 posted on 02/09/2016 9:05:03 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Dr. Sivana

Not an improbable result - Makes it too expensive to buy a car. Makes it too expensive to build new roads. Locks people out driving into the city. Keeps them locked in the city, in the very long term.


8 posted on 02/09/2016 9:05:06 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Will Asian made robo cars get a bad reputation for poor driving?


9 posted on 02/09/2016 9:05:11 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: All

Reardon metal is too dangerous (/s)


10 posted on 02/09/2016 9:06:10 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“...because Agenda 21 will ban the use of private cars and have us all packed into Willie Green bullet trains by the time the technology is perfected.”

Interesting comment. But I think the elite’s love affair with Agenda 21 items like light rail is mostly a coolness issue. Driverless cars will have a coolness factor with that crowd that will override any concerns that they would be neither green nor safe.


11 posted on 02/09/2016 9:07:39 AM PST by ModelBreaker (')
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To: Fester Chugabrew
velocitators

I can't decide whether that's the projectile from a spud-gun, or a new species of dinosaur.

12 posted on 02/09/2016 9:09:19 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: PGR88
For example, in my city, if driverless cars passed through certain areas, they would most definitely be objects of graffiti “tagging” at best - at worst they would be constantly vandalized, seemingly for fun, or broken into. So then you need to upgrade their protection or laws regarding tampering, etc...

Driverless cars will NEVER work for the very reason you're alluding to in your post: They can NEVER account for all the variables in human behavior, nor can the A.I. used by them adapt like the human brain to be able to react like a human being to avoid an accident.

Were that true, we would see ZERO accidents involving driverless vehicles either now, or in the very near future. The problem is driverless cars and A.I. are still created by human beings and we're flawed. We do not have perfect logic, nor do we always react in logical ways.

The best A.I. will never be able to account for all the different combinations of reactions that we human beings are capable of producing and reacting to.

Never.

13 posted on 02/09/2016 9:14:12 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: central_va
We don't even have driver less trains and they run on rails for heavens sake.

That has more to do with unions than technology.

The problem with the author's premise is that he holds "fail proof" and "flawless" as some kind of standard. Fact is people are not fail proof and flawless drivers. The automation need only exceed fallible humans, not meet some perfection standard. 10s of thousands of needless deaths can be avoided annually, nevermind hundreds of thousands of injuries.

There will still be accidents, just fewer of them due to careless people.

14 posted on 02/09/2016 9:14:49 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: PreciousLiberty

The short version of why I think he’s wrong is that:

a) I think government will grant blanket immunity from prosecution/lawsuits once the tech proves overall safer than human drivers, and

b) for the foreseeable future there’ll be a requirement for a human ready to take over. That avoids the “software that breaks the law” issue.


15 posted on 02/09/2016 9:16:03 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty

Driverless cars are coming faster than most people think. Cars are already incorporating driverless features. Various types of traction control and automated brake control are standard on many vehicles. The new Bentley can park itself - both parallel and diagonal.

I think the first truly driverless vehicles will be UPS and FedEx delivery trucks. With a robotic arm that drops the package near your front door.


16 posted on 02/09/2016 9:17:21 AM PST by Parmenio
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To: PreciousLiberty

They are not “driverless” cars. It says right there that the driver has to be ready to take over the driving in situations that the car can’t handle.
So they’re not “driverless” cars.

The guy is mostly right, except for “driverless” trucks. That will not happen.

The software in a “driverless” car will be no help against a carjacking. No help if your car is surrounded by a band of street savages trying to break in and hurt, kill or rape you.

The braking system will not distinguish between a bag blowing in the wind, a rabbit, a doll, a dog, and a child. The human driver will brake differently for different things. Specifically, he will brake for the dog and the child, and ignore the others.

The real goal in all this is complete government control of what’s on the roads. The statists hate it when you have any freedom to do what you want. This would make everyone the same behind the wheel.


17 posted on 02/09/2016 9:17:26 AM PST by I want the USA back (The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it. Orwell.)
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To: central_va
I am against driver less cars because the idea of personal transportation is supposed to cheap and available to the masses.

Automated vehicles could actually facilitate sharing services. Imagine living in a city and subscribing to BMW's car service. You hit a button on your phone and summon a car within minutes. The manufacturers are already looking into models like this.

Don't think of vehicle automation as a one size fits all solution. It is going to allow for even more niches.

18 posted on 02/09/2016 9:17:40 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Not really.


19 posted on 02/09/2016 9:20:01 AM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: longtermmemmory

Wilton Knight’s molecular bonded shell is too pricey.


20 posted on 02/09/2016 9:20:25 AM PST by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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