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Trump, Sanders want universal healthcare
canmua.net ^ | February 2, 2016 | Eric Pianin

Posted on 02/03/2016 12:12:43 AM PST by Praxeologue

Trump, Sanders want universal healthcare : The front-runner s vague plan seems to echo that of the Democratic Socialist.

'Nonsense!': Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton battle in testy healthcare debate. The Bernie Sanders campaign dug up a 2-year-old tweet to troll Hillary Clinton's campaign chair. Bernie Sanders' healthcare plan would cost $13.8 trillion over 10 years

GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump says Sen. Ted Cruz is a 'total liar' for labeling him an advocate of expanded Obamacare or universal national health care along the lines being touted by democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders in the Democratic presidential contest.

During an appearance on ABC's This Week on Sunday Trump insisted he would dismantle the Affordable Care Act if he is elected president and stressed that he doesn't favor a 'single payer' universal government program that essentially would provide Medicare coverage for all.

Yet despite the blustery real estate tycoon's protests about Cruz's characterizations, Trump espoused a form of national healthcare coverage that would include the 33 million Americans who still are not covered by Obamacare. Without providing any specifics during his televised appearance, Trump vowed to 'work something out' that sounded suspiciously like a distant cousin to Sanders' single-payer concept.

'If somebody has no money and they're lying in the middle of the street and they're dying, I'm going to take care of that person,' Trump said. When chief anchor George Stephanopoulos pressed the billionaire businessman to describe how he would accomplish that, Trump said he would 'work something out.'

'We're going to work with our hospitals,' he said. 'We're going to work with our doctors. We've got to do something. You can't have a small percentage of our economy, because they're down and out, have absolutely no protection so they end up dying from, you know, what you could have a simple procedure or even a pill. You can't do that.'

'We'll work something out,' Trump went on. 'That doesn't mean single payer.'

'And if this means I lose an election, that's fine, because, frankly, we have to take care of the people in our country. We can't let them die on the sidewalks of New York or the sidewalks of Iowa or anywhere else.'

A recent Kaiser Family Foundation tracking poll found that 58 percent of Americans support enactment of a national health plan in which all Americans would get their insurance through an expanded form of Medicare, although Democrats are far more enamored of that approach than Republicans are. The downside of that approach, of course, is that Medicare spending is growing out of control, according to a new Congressional Budget Office analysis.

And any move in that direction would necessitate trillions of dollars in new taxes over the coming decade, just when CBO warns the deficit and debt will begin to surge again.

Trump has raised his idea of health insurance coverage for all in the past, although he appears to be talking about a far more complicated approach than simply extending Medicare~style coverage to everyone. During an interview with CBS's 60 Minutes last September, Trump said that Obamacare was 'a disaster' ~ with excessive premiums and deductibles ~ and that he would replace it with a program that would 'take care of everybody.'

'Everybody's got to be covered,' he said. 'This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, 'No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private.' But . . . I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not.'

As for how to finance his ambitious proposals, Trump said, 'The government's going to pay for it. But we're going to save so much money on the other side. But for the most it's going to be a private plan and people are going to be able to go out and negotiate great plans with lots of different competition with lots of competitors with great companies and they can have their doctors, they can have plans, they can have everything.'

This is all too much for Cruz, who is struggling to overtake Trump in tonight's GOP caucuses. 'Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have the identical position on health care, which is they want to put the government in charge of you and your doctors,' Cruz said yesterday during an appearance on NBC's Meet the Press.

While Cruz's assertion is a gross distortion of where Trump and the two Democrats stand on health care reform in general, there are clearly some similarities, as Politifact noted today.

For instance, Trump, Clinton and Sanders all favor allowing the federal government to negotiate drug prices to bring down the cost. However, Clinton opposes Sanders' $1.8 trillion idea for expanding the Medicare program to include all Americans, financed by major tax increases. Instead, she advocates building on the Affordable Care Act and containing unreasonable increases in rates and fees.

Trump once voiced admiration for single-payer, but he hasn't presented a health care plan beyond his sketchy proposals. It's also true that the conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989 presented a national health care plan that required, 'All citizens should be guaranteed universal access to affordable health care,' and using car insurance as a model, 'Mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance.' Trump has suggested a system in which insurance companies considered financially stable can offer plans across state lines ~ a popular idea among Republicans. He also called for the federal government to negotiate with hospitals and drug companies for lower prices and to provide coverage for poorer Americans.


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KEYWORDS: cruz; healthcare; sanders; trump
Neither Cruz nor Trump have fleshed out their healthcare proposals. This has resulted in a dysfunctional interaction between each other on the topic.

Cruz accuses Trump of proposing a single-payer system. Trump calls that a lie. Trump's public utterances on the topic, our only guide, reveal pieces of both single-payer and ObamaCare itself, sprinkled with wrong-headed demagoguery about leaving people to die on the sidewalks, followed by claims that his plan would foster efficient free market competition. This all sounds like socialism, but we can't be sure, leaving Cruz to take a stab at its more egregious manifestations.

Cruz speaks of disparate components at different times, such as health savings accounts, but never a comprehensive plan.

The bones of reform have been proposed for a decade: the old system plus tort reform, inter-state insurance and portability, plus health care accounts, for example. Roll Medicaid back to its pre-2010 parameters.

My impression is that the the candidates consider health care to be too much of a hot potato to get too specific. I would have expected this approach from Trump, but Cruz owes us more and better. Only Sanders on the Left has spelled out his healthcare proposal. We can't allow ourselves to be outdone by a socialist.

1 posted on 02/03/2016 12:12:43 AM PST by Praxeologue
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2 posted on 02/03/2016 1:11:20 AM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken! Trump 2016!)
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3 posted on 02/03/2016 1:38:19 AM PST by Praxeologue ( ')
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To: Praxeologue

This caught my eye:

If somebody has no money and they’re lying in the middle of the street and they’re dying, I’m going to take care of that person,’ Trump said.

and

But . . . I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not.’

>>>>>>>>>>
Im curious how Trumps frequent use of the word “I” compares to Obama’s


4 posted on 02/03/2016 1:48:44 AM PST by woofie
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To: Praxeologue
Trump espoused a form of national healthcare coverage.... 'If somebody has no money and they're lying in the middle of the street and they're dying, I'm going to take care of that person,' Trump said.

when will Trump spend some of his billions to build and operate a non-profit hospital?

5 posted on 02/03/2016 3:28:40 AM PST by wny
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I guess it’s better than using “we” like a monarch. Maybe he’s saving that for when he’s president ??


6 posted on 02/03/2016 3:28:42 AM PST by Russ (Repeal the '17th amendment.)
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To: Praxeologue

I think the only rebuttal from Trump to Cruz was saying he supported Obamacare was a lie. Has Trump ever said he is against universal health care?


7 posted on 02/03/2016 3:42:44 AM PST by mongrel (Conservatives will know exactly how Ivana Trump felt in a few months.)
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To: Praxeologue

Trump was interviewed by the Chicago Tribune in late June of last year where he goes into detail about healthcare. I don’t believe this Trump interview was ever reported in the paper. He wants insurance coverage ‘portability’ across state lines along with a market based health system. He believes in innovation to overcome the cost problem. Go to 55 minute mark in this long interview.

“Donald Trump discusses Presidential run with Tribune editorial board”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m91vEm9kAsY


8 posted on 02/03/2016 3:49:11 AM PST by Red Steel (Ted Cruz: 'I'm a Big Fan of Donald Trump')
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To: Praxeologue

Of course Medicare is “growing out of control”...millions of dollars were taken from it to support Obamacare.


9 posted on 02/03/2016 4:24:24 AM PST by FrankR (You're only enslaved to the extent of the charity that you receive!)
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Qbamacare must die. NO single payer helthcare. We know how to deliver the care, but the politicians lack the spines and will to do it. If Trump thinks he can fix Obamacare into Trumpcare, he's done as a viable candidate.
10 posted on 02/03/2016 6:58:05 AM PST by MasterGunner01 ( Barbara Da)
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To: Praxeologue

“...Neither Cruz nor Trump have fleshed out their healthcare proposals...”

You’re saying that Cruz hasn’t “fleshed out” any healthcare proposals? Are you forgetting the “Health Care Choice Act”?


11 posted on 02/03/2016 7:30:15 AM PST by jaydee770
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