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Trump Rally in Tulsa [personal report]

Posted on 01/20/2016 6:02:56 PM PST by The Truth Will Make You Free

I had the opportunity to attend the Trump rally in Tulsa today. I wanted to hear him first-hand without media bias. Palin being there was an added bonus.

I was asked to give a full report and here's my views:

1. Trump seems trustworthy. If you're surprised to hear that, so am I to write it. I'm not saying he'll always be right. Look, the President is going to face situations we don't know about yet. How will they be handled? Trump rightfully blasted the stupidity, incompetence, and weakness of the present administration. He made no bones about it. Calling a spade a spade creates trust.

2. Trump has long cared for America. He understands the responsibilities of the President. He will be a refreshing America-first President.

3. Trump knows how to negotiate. He blasted the $150 billion Iranian deal from the community organizer. He said we have political hacks negotiating. He committed to getting strong negotiators and businessmen involved for America's interest.

4. Trump keeps up on current events. This is unlike the current White House occupant, who like Schultz in Hogan's Heros claims "I know nothing" (my analogy). He knows what the poll results are, and likes sharing them because he's in the lead.

5. Trump is a leader. He is driving the discussion. John Maxwell says, "Everything rises and fall on leadership." Under Obama's leadership, America has fallen. As much as I love Cruz, he has not demonstrated leadership, but instead principled strategy.

6. Trump is responsive to criticism. Before the event it was announced that this was a private event and the protesters were to remain outside. When a few rose up, they were quickly escorted out. Trump explained that when that first happened he was criticized for being too harsh. So he tried to tone it down and was called weak.

7. Trump is strongly aware of media dishonesty. He said the good thing about the protesters is that they force the cameras to show the size of the crowd.

8. Trump may overstate things. He said there were 15,000 people present. There were no more than 10,000, probably 9,000 or maybe 8,000. I'm not sure why he did this. Was he given bad information? Did he deliberately overstate? Was he given no information and made his best guess. In any case, this weaken my assessment above that he's trustworthy.

9. Trump is a winner. He says America will begin to win again. He said if he doesn't win the election, then all this is for nothing.

10. In everything Trump shared, he was sensible to me. America currently spends the most on education, yet is ranked #28 in the world. We should spend less and be rated higher. He's against Common Core. He isn't afraid to say "radical islamic terrorism". He wants to help vets and strengthen the military. He is against open borders and says he'll make Mexico pay for the wall. He is strongly pro-second amendment.

11. Trump is high energy. He slammed Jeb as being low energy. He said low energy people don't get things done, and that politicians are all talk and no action.

12. Trump recognizes that liberals and the establishment are the enemy. He recognizes that people are sick and tired and fed up.

13. Trump is pro-Christian. I am not saying that he personally is a strong Christian. He said Christianity is under assault and we will stop the assault against Christianity. (As further evidence, I've also heard him say "I'll be the Christian's best friend.")

14. Trump claimed to use his wealth for all Americans. He said "I'm talking about winning the presidency for you." and "This success is going to you." Could it really be that we in America are so jaded, disappointed, and used, that we refuse to believe a person of means who isn't beholden to the "donor political class" will really do what's best for the country? Or could it be we are again on the verge of selecting a hypocritical, lying, self-centered, anti-American deceiver?

Overall I left feeling that I'd be happy if Trump won. I didn't feel like I had the complete picture of all his positions, and might not like some as they are revealed. However, the key parts of being pro-America, pro-Christian, anti-GOPe, and anti-liberal, along with his demonstrated leadership, sensibility, and intelligence were enough to move me into his camp. An added bonus is that if he maintains his sizable lead, he will have over a full year to prepare for the Presidency and all it's duties and personnel selections.

As for Palin, she had some great lines. "What we need now is a fundamental restoration." "We can believe our best days are ahead of us." "We need a Commander-in-Chief who will respect troops and treat veterans better than illegal immigrants." "The permanent political class is doing the bidding of the donor political class." We currently have a "weak-kneed capitulator-in-chief." She also shared that her son is a wounded warrior.


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To: nopardons

How can we find a link to the naturalization study guide handy. I think I will look it up, but I can’t post links. Thanks.


41 posted on 01/20/2016 7:54:59 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

42 posted on 01/20/2016 7:56:00 PM PST by entropy12 (Rafael Cruz 100% eligible as natural born Canada citizen!! SCOTUS might clear his USA NBC status.)
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To: entropy12

Thank you for those great pictures.


43 posted on 01/20/2016 7:59:16 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: hoosiermama

He made 3 tours. Twice to Afghanistan.


44 posted on 01/20/2016 8:00:45 PM PST by jennychase
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To: jennychase

Thanks Jenny. Search was really chaos with all the current material.


45 posted on 01/20/2016 8:03:38 PM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans)
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To: RitaOK
I really don't know; I wish I did. The ONLY reason that I know this, for sure and certain, is because I knew someone who took and passed, with flying colors, someone who took the Naturalization test in 2005.

He has less than NO reason to lie about this, Obama wasn't running for president, Cruz wasn't even on anyone's radar, the government had long ago okayed McCain's NBC, so it was just something that tickled him, because his wife was preggars at the time and he knew that he would be an American citizen when his wife delivered their baby.

46 posted on 01/20/2016 8:04:18 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Red_Devil 232

I don’t think having PTSD qualifies one to be a wounded warrior.


47 posted on 01/20/2016 8:05:23 PM PST by bigdaddy45
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To: jennychase; Red_Devil 232

See Jenny’s post
3 tours


48 posted on 01/20/2016 8:07:00 PM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans)
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To: nopardons; Baynative

[Following]


49 posted on 01/20/2016 8:09:17 PM PST by SunLakesJeff (Life)
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To: bigdaddy45

It most certainly does
My skin works with the homeless mentally ill. Most are veterans.


50 posted on 01/20/2016 8:10:30 PM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans)
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To: nopardons

It wasn’t that hard. I was able to pull up the study guide and found the Citizenship pdf. It is all there, but the in the title of the text definition(s) is that icky word, “generally”.

No wonder historians say the thing is “unsettled”.

It was a little deep for me, but I’m tired. You could probably enjoy the read. It isn’t long. I googled naturalization study guide and was able to search in the guide for citizenship requirements.


51 posted on 01/20/2016 8:11:11 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

Unless ANY of them start dealing with the runaway spending in the bureaucracy and holding the Justice Dept. accountable, then it’s all ‘blah blah’ to me.


52 posted on 01/20/2016 8:11:35 PM PST by Fledermaus (To hell with the Republican Party. I'm done with them. If I want a Lib Dem I'd vote for one.)
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To: hoosiermama

Son. Hate this new notebook. It changes entire words after completing a sentence


53 posted on 01/20/2016 8:12:43 PM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans)
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To: nopardons

There has never been a 3rd category. There has only been natural and naturalized.

No document, no birth certificate, no court ruling ever referred to a 3rd category. It does not exist, it never existed.

More than 200 years ago President Madison settled the issue that Americans born abroad to an American father either at sea, in a territory, or in a foreign jurisdiction need not be naturalized as long as the father maintained a ‘domicile’ in the United States.

There is a legal distinction between ‘domicile’ and ‘residence’; you should look it up. For example, Thomas Jefferson as US Ambassador to France maintained a residence in Paris but maintained his domicile at Monticello. If he had had children in Paris, they would be natural citizens and would not need to be naturalized.

Natural Citizen = Natural Born Citizen not= naturalized citizen.

The BS about Vattel was about subjects, not citizens. Big difference. It was used in common law which was derived from English common law because that is what the colonies used as a standard. American colonists after the Declaration of Independence was signed and ratified were no longer subjects, they were citizens; very big difference in context and meaning.

The requirement for natural = natural born and not naturalized was brought to General Washington by John Jay who cautioned that future presidents serving as Commanders in Chief should have no other allegiances or loyalties, and therefore, should never be naturalized.

Dual citizenship was prohibited.

Women were not allowed to vote. All of their rights were under their husband. The only social assessment of a women’s status was whether her marriage to an American was legitimate. She could have any origin but her marriage had to be legitimate in order for the children to not be bastards. Therefore, if her marriage was considered by society as legitimate meaning approved by the parish or by a justice of the peace, then her children were natural born of their American father. Her status was immediately that of her husbands upon a lawful marriage taking place. She could be the daughter of an American father or of a colonist father, she could be French, German, Iroquois, Cherokee etc. It was only necessary that her marriage be considered lawful and legitimate.

A married woman’s status in the days before the 19th Amendment was entirely determined by that of her husband and the legitimacy of her marriage. If she was born in a territory or on a reservation, she immediately became an American when she married an American and she was completely under the authority of her husband. If her husband was American, her status was that she was the same as her husband, an American. She was not considered a citizen because only citizens could vote and women were not allowed to vote.

In those days, there was the American man who determined the birthright of his sons inside a legitimately recognized marriage. Some parishes and religious sects did not allow marriage outside the faith or to Indians or foreigners unless approved by the sect or parish. His family was considered an American family if the father was American and the marriage was legitimate. The term ‘citizen’ was used exclusively in the context of voting, running for office or in appointments of government officials and jurists. Jury duty was also confined to citizens. Women were not appointed to government positions, they were not allowed to vote, they could not run for office.


54 posted on 01/20/2016 8:13:07 PM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: RitaOK
Thanks. :-)

The governments has worded things is vague ways, for a long time. But perhaps that "generally" was to cover all bases. *shrugs*

55 posted on 01/20/2016 8:14:41 PM PST by nopardons
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free
He said there were 15,000 people present. There were no more than 10,000, probably 9,000 or maybe 8,000.

What are you basing that on? I'm assuming you didn't personally count the people that were there. So how would you know that Trump's count was wrong? I'm assuming his people would have a better idea as they might have turnstile counts.

56 posted on 01/20/2016 8:16:14 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: nopardons

Yes. You said it. Somehow vague is the new term for “precise”!


57 posted on 01/20/2016 8:19:48 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: The Truth Will Make You Free

Thanks for the post. How enthusiastic was the crowd? Demographics?


58 posted on 01/20/2016 8:19:57 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media. #2ndAmendmentMatters)
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To: Hostage
The FATHER had to also be a n AMERICAN CITIZEN !

And since Ted's father did NOT become an AMERICAN citizen, until 2005 and did NOT keep a domicile in the USA, when Ted was born in Canada, there ya go.

Of course things have been updated and changed a bit since the stuff you posted was written, you MIGHT be able to argue about some of that; however, what I stated IS true.... and it's been posted to this thread. YOU'RE STILL WRONG ! LOL

59 posted on 01/20/2016 8:20:13 PM PST by nopardons
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To: RitaOK

Perhaps. *shrugs*


60 posted on 01/20/2016 8:21:30 PM PST by nopardons
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