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John 2:1-11 (ESV)

On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus also was invited to the wedding with his disciples. When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, "They have no wine." And Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does this have to do with me? My hour has not yet come." His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."

Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons. Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water." And they filled them up to the brim. And he said to them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast." So they took it. When the master of the feast tasted the water now become wine, and did not know where it came from (though the servants who had drawn the water knew), the master of the feast called the bridegroom and said to him, "Everyone serves the good wine first, and when people have drunk freely, then the poor wine. But you have kept the good wine until now." This, the first of his signs, Jesus did at Cana in Galilee, and manifested his glory. And his disciples believed in him.

1 posted on 01/16/2016 11:55:56 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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2 posted on 01/16/2016 11:56:56 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Charles Henrickson

There is another time in the Fourth Gospel when Jesus refers to His mother as “woman”; and was when His hour had come and what was drawn forth was water and blood.

He did indeed save the best for last.


5 posted on 01/17/2016 4:25:56 AM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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6 posted on 01/17/2016 4:30:17 AM PST by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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To: Charles Henrickson
Now another point, this one about Jesus' mother. She finds out that the big wedding celebration, which, by the way, would last for days--she finds out that they have run out of wine. That's not good.

Sorry, Charles. This only echoes a very popular--albeit quite incorrect--translation and interpretation of the status of the wedding. It reflects a quite modern attitude towards the meaning of the word "wine," as well as the emphasis placed by the groom on it in his plan fir the wedding.

What you need to do is develop your own exegesis of the Greek, and be faithful to it, not to someone else's false reading. Please take note regarding John 2:3:

1, The key verb in the original thought is "hustereo" which is "to lack, or to be devoid of," It is in the aorist tense, active voice, participle (= ing) mode, genitive case, singular, and masculine.

2. The verb does not refer to the participants, and is therefore wrongly translated in the KJV

3. The masculine noun "oinos" is in the genitive case, and therefore cannot be the subject of the phrase, thus contradicting the Douay-Rheims and Darby translations.

4. The subject of the verb refers to the masculine noun "gamos" = "wedding" immediately before in verse 2. 5. Therefore the correct translation of thr phrase is, "It lacks wine" where "it" refers to the wedding, not to the people of the wedding,

Going on, Jesus' mother brought this lack of any grape juice as a liquid refreshment to his attention. Looking at what she said: 1. The verb "echo" which means "to have," it is in the present tense, active voice, indicative mode, third person plural, so the subject of the phrase is "they" meaning at least the planners of the feast, which ought to include its principal initiator to whom the bill for it will be sent.

2. The noun "oinos" is in the accusative case and singular, thus making it the direct object of the verb. 3. The KJV, DRB, and Darby translations fail to carry over the sense of the use of continuousness, the implicit nuance of the present tense.

4. These translations say as one voice that the Greek means, "They have no wine" thus themselves fail in communicating entire thought of the Greek, also mistranslating the negative particle "ouk" = "no" or "not." 5. A corrected translation of Mary's sentece is, "They are not having wine." (with the implication that the context is the plan for the feast). This allows the entire sensibility of His reply, "What does that have to do with you or Me?" Obviously then, since neither Jesus nor Mary intitiated, planned, prepared for, or executed the menu and conduct of the feast, what did it mean to them?

Well, as a last-minute invited group, obviously they werer going to consume a goodly portion. And according to custom, they probably ought to have brought a gift, but none is mentioned. Therefore, He saw it beneficial to convert six stone pots of thus ritually cleansed water into abou a hundred fifty gallons of tasty, fresh, pure, cloudless, alcohol-free grape juice as the gift.

(A metaphor here signifying perhaps the conversion of "living water" into the newly-made blood of the cluster, early on signifying the Blood which He was to shed for them, before they were aware of its significance.)

How could He be glorified by your interpretation of making drunk people drunker?

Eh, Charles?

7 posted on 01/17/2016 4:47:00 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Charles Henrickson
It's not OK to get drunk, but it is OK to drink.

Eh! It more like it's not okay to get drunk on a regular basis. However, once in awhile, in a harmless setting, it should be okay. Like definitely during hurricanes. What else can you do but drink. Not internet connection and you can't even read because no electricity. Another harmless occasion would be at rum festivals such as the West Palm Beach Tropical Rum Festival I am going to on February 6. It costs $50 for an ALL YOU CAN DRINK ticket. However, since I used GroupOn it was only $35. But wait! There's MORE!!! On the day I ordered it, they had an additional 20% off so it only cost me $28.

Yes, I know what you're thinking. My "sin" will come when I have to drive 40 miles home while drunk. Well, you're wrong, rum breath! I realized that would be the real sin of all that drinking so I told my wife that one of us would have to drive home so I told her I could be the only one to get the ALL YOU CAN DRINK ticket. Don't ask me how I did it, but I actually convinced her to drive me there and then drive me home hours later. We have a relative in the Palm Beach area so she can spend a few hours visiting her until she picks me up hours later.

Hey, ONCE IN A WHILE, you have to let it all hang out. The only sin in this case would be drunk driving and I got that base covered.

p.s. If a certain brand of rum stands out I'll let everybody know about it. I plan on doing LOTS of sampling.

10 posted on 01/17/2016 3:21:21 PM PST by PJ-Comix (DUmmie Skinner: Bought & Paid For By Hillary)
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