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Ted Cruz is a Naturalized Citizen, not "Natural Born"
Farmer John

Posted on 01/11/2016 4:52:40 AM PST by Joachim

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To: PJBankard

[I hope you are prepared to be blasted by Cruz supporters.]

Cue the immature “Anita Trump” comments from VinL.....


21 posted on 01/11/2016 5:07:22 AM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; holdonnow; Jim Robinson
Not Mark Levin. That schmuck goes crazy at you just for posting stories on Donald Trump that aren’t negative.

So Mark Levin, who has been in the trenches fighting tooth and nail for Conservatism before many of us were out of diapers, and has been a long time vocal supporter of this board, is now a "schmuck" just because he refuses to embrace Trump and countenance the Cruz birther nonsense?

Nice.

22 posted on 01/11/2016 5:07:44 AM PST by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: Joachim

When you produce some sort of document showing he was naturalized later after birth, and not provided a US birth certificate, let’s talk again.


23 posted on 01/11/2016 5:09:05 AM PST by ilgipper
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To: Joachim

Try listening to Mark Levin a true constitutional expert rather trying to pretend you are one


24 posted on 01/11/2016 5:09:39 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Yashcheritsiy
You can resolve that conundrum by figuring out who would be a citizen if Congress passed no statute on the subject.
25 posted on 01/11/2016 5:09:42 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Hmmm...

I wonder if Trump has accidentally stumbled onto something here?

Or if he has some advisers who clued in on this?


26 posted on 01/11/2016 5:11:03 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (What good is a constitution if you don't have a country to go with it?)
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To: Joachim

Boy, Trump can really get the hornet nest all riled up.

There are lots of people buzzing around, making a lot of noise.

But there isn’t any honey there, so after a while no one cares.

Aren’t there more important things to discuss—rather than settled law.


27 posted on 01/11/2016 5:11:13 AM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: Timber Rattler
So Mark Levin, who has been in the trenches

In the trenches now at "Conservative Review" with other Cruz-affiliated employees not even bothering to hide their hatred of Trump and their bias, "in the trenches" now calling Breitbart writers "***-holes" and idiots.

Michael Savage is right about Levin. "He's a fraud!"

28 posted on 01/11/2016 5:11:52 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Timber Rattler
All this Cruz birther nonsense is a complete and utter embarrassment for FR. You Trumpets ought to be ashamed of yourselves

If it doesn't come out now, the dems will use it, for sure to disqualify Cruz. Hypocrisy? No. They answered (perhaps in ways that should've gotten more scrutiny from the Republican establishment) with proof that Obama WAS born in the US. Not born in the US? That's a giant leap down the slippery slope.

One thing a lot of us who want to Make America Great Again are fed up with is the put down whenever we disagree with the Cruz line.

29 posted on 01/11/2016 5:14:15 AM PST by grania
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To: Cboldt

Hmmm. that’s a good point. I was born in Missouri to two parents who were American citizens, also by birth. I am most definitely a natural born American citizen.

Ted Cruz was born in Canada, only one parent was a US citizen. Big difference here.


30 posted on 01/11/2016 5:14:51 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (What good is a constitution if you don't have a country to go with it?)
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To: euram
Ted probably (almost certainly) has a Consular Record of Birth Abroad (also known as an FS-240), recognizing that his birth fit the circumstances laid out in 8 USC 1401(g). Citizen at birth to a child born abroad of one citizen parent, provided the citizen parent meets US residency conditions before the birth occurred.

As a matter of law, this is a recognition of naturalization, but it doesn't go by that label.

31 posted on 01/11/2016 5:15:35 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Joachim

Martin Van Buren, our eighth president, was the first to be born in the United States. George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, and Andrew Jackson were not born in the United States — mainly because there was no United States when they were born.


32 posted on 01/11/2016 5:15:57 AM PST by Puzzleman ("Nothing turns out to be so oppressive and unjust as a feeble government. " -- Edmund Burke)
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To: arthurus
It would be a kick-in-the-ass if we got two front runners, Cruz and Mrs. Bill and both of them get disqualified after, say, Super Tuesday, one by being indicted and arrested, the other by the Court for not being a Natural Born.

While I hold out hope for the first one I don't see the second one happening. Not by Super Tuesday. Not ever.

33 posted on 01/11/2016 5:16:11 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: grania
One thing a lot of us who want to Make America Great Again are fed up with is the put down whenever we disagree with the Cruz line.

Keep in mind, too, that if we're going to "make America great again" (looking at it from an under the sun perspective), a good place to start would be having a candidate who is actually constitutionally qualified. All the rest of that "constitution talk" sort of rings hollow if we can't even get that right.

34 posted on 01/11/2016 5:16:32 AM PST by Yashcheritsiy (What good is a constitution if you don't have a country to go with it?)
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To: Joachim

The author fails in his second sentence. All actions of the US government are governed by laws. Those laws laws come from acts of Congress. Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution enumerate Congress with the “Rules of Naturalization”.

The scope of those rules are not limited. The rules include who needs to be naturalized and the rules include who does not need to be naturalized.

The current expression of those rules are listed in Title 8 section 1401. Even those citizens who are born in the US are citizens at birth (Naturally born as citizens) are defined by that law.


35 posted on 01/11/2016 5:16:56 AM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: deport
What do you farm, Farmer John?

Birther conspiracy sites on the internet, based on this thread.

36 posted on 01/11/2016 5:17:39 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Joachim

“The whole thing with Cruz and how he’s brilliantly, by the way, dealing with these SILLY ALLEGATIONS that he’s not eligible on citizenship grounds. He’s really, really dealing with it smartly, brilliantly, I might say. The whole thing, it’s silly, it’s a distraction. But it is ILLUSTRATIVE of who’s aligned WHERE and with WHOM.
-Rush Limbaugh 1/8/16

So anti conservative Trumpkins hate on the Great One Mark Levin because he was right that Trump shouldn’t behave like a Left Wing Nutjob and troll Cruz with this ridiculous birther crap.
Now they can hate on Rush.


37 posted on 01/11/2016 5:18:53 AM PST by Happy Rain ("CRUZ 2016!!! REAL TEXAS GRIT NOT NEW YORK BULL****)
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To: Joachim
FACT: Cruz’s father’s Cuban nationality at the time of Cruz’s birth, is irrelevant, according to the law at that time,
just so long as he was a LEGAL Immigrant at the time of Ted Cruz's birth,
AND both of Ted Cruz's parents were legally married to each other. So there is the law for the time Ted Cruz was born,
AND HOW Ted Cruz's PARENTS fulfilled ALL those requirements of the law that time, for Ted Cruz to be a "Natural Born Citizen".
Ted Cruz did NOT NEED a Court and a Judge to "Nationalize" him.

One more thing, listen to a REAL CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER:
38 posted on 01/11/2016 5:19:05 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Puzzleman
They were grandfathered in according to that same clause:

"No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President"

39 posted on 01/11/2016 5:19:30 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Cboldt

All I know is that my daughter has a Certificate of Naturalization, whether there is a Consular Record of Birth Abroad, I don’t know, and never even thought about that.


40 posted on 01/11/2016 5:20:32 AM PST by euram
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