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Strange Stillbirth of the Whig Party
self | 12/29/2015 | LS

Posted on 12/29/2015 12:03:31 PM PST by LS

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1 posted on 12/29/2015 12:03:31 PM PST by LS
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To: LS

I usually abhor vanities.

This one was different, and on a topic worthy of reading.

Thanks foe posting it.


2 posted on 12/29/2015 12:17:19 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: LS
This is why Trump's nomination will finish off the GOPe party, either by scrambling it so thoroughly that it only survives in name by becoming something it is not (today), or by provoking the startup of a third party, probably by driving people like Trump (and Cruz?) out of the GOP.

I find commentators beginning to propound both possibilities if Trump continues his meteoric rise in the polls and turns that into election victories (or pluralities that are almost victories).

In this regard, Trump's "policies" or "agenda" (both pretty amorphous at the moment) are essentially beside the point. He's a GOP-wrecker, not because of what he's for, but because of what he's against. He's attracting wide support in a disaffected electorate, not because of who he is (though he is entertaining!), but because of who he is not. Trump is the catalyst for wrecking things in the current GOP china shop.

I don't think conservatives like Cruz will ever have a chance in the current GOP. It's been a wet blanket that has smothered true conservatives since Reagan, and Reagan had lots of people in his own party throwing wet blankets on him and everything he tried to do.

3 posted on 12/29/2015 12:18:39 PM PST by Brandybux (Oportet ministros manus lavare antequam latrinam relinquent.)
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To: LS
"The current GOP is exactly like the Whigs in 1850: no mission, no purpose, no point of opposition to the Democrats. They weren't stillborn, but they committed suicide along the way."

Fallen Far they have...

4 posted on 12/29/2015 12:19:25 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: LS

Bttt.


5 posted on 12/29/2015 12:20:32 PM PST by Inyo-Mono
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To: LS

The Republicans did such a good job of replacing the Whigs that they have become the Whigs.

Their only principle is to have no principles.

Their only strategy is preemptive surrender.

Their only plan for victory is to tick off their base as much as possible.

When Democrats are in charge, it’s as if the country is a car going off a cliff at 100 miles per hour. At least the Republicans drive the speed limit — but you’re still going off the cliff. What we need to do is to turn the car around.


6 posted on 12/29/2015 12:21:29 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Brandybux
I agree. Trump is not "policy-less," but his entire campaign has been far more about attitude than about policies. Think of a losing football program: the very first thing that has to change is NOT the playbook, or even the execution. It's the attitude. Patton did this in North Africa, by focusing on such mundane stuff as men being clean shaven and having their uniforms on at all times.

If you start to think like a winner, you'll act like a winner, then pretty soon, you'll BE a winner. And if he only "wins" at 2-3 things like the Wall, a moratorium on Muslim immigration, national concealed carry---that would be ten thousand times what we've "won" at since 2001.

People say, "What about his views on eminent domain?" Well, I don't like 'em. But I haven't seen that as even remotely near his agenda. I happen to agree with most of his stated agenda---guns, taxes, trade, and security. If we get to the point where we disagree over things four years down the line, well, thank GOD. Because we will have made it four years down the line and lived to disagree about it.

7 posted on 12/29/2015 12:23:48 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

The problem that the Republicans have is that the GOP establishment is as enamored of wielding power from Washington just like their Democrat counterparts. While they have talked about reducing Washington’s influence, they have done nothing to do so. And eventually there is a rift- because there has to be.


8 posted on 12/29/2015 12:25:16 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: TBP

I agree, but with one, huge exception: they did achieve what they were formed to do initially, eliminate slavery. The thing is, the Dems have never changed. They have always been about slavery, one way or another.


9 posted on 12/29/2015 12:26:27 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Paladin2

LOL: “Eliminate them, we must.” (Yoda)


10 posted on 12/29/2015 12:28:31 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

I think that they have been more consistently about the spoils system than slavery—though the two are closely related.


11 posted on 12/29/2015 12:31:10 PM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton))
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To: LS
“you gotta stand for something or you will fall for anything!!!!” DISASTOR!

LORD help us ... we know not what we do!! Is anything too hard for GOD? NO!! Forgve us LORD we know not what we do, open our eyes, hearts, minds to see Thy will in Jesus name we pray, thank Thee for Thy grace, goodness, loving kindness, tender mercies, and our many daily blessings. Save America from our enemies. Heal our nation. Thank Thee for Thy WORD, plan of salvation, and forgiveness of our sins, when we have FAITH, and help us turn from our sins in FAITH and truth. Thank Thee Father! amen!

12 posted on 12/29/2015 12:31:58 PM PST by midlander
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To: Brandybux
"I don't think conservatives like Cruz will ever have a chance in the current GOP"

See Chris McDaniel as a case in point.

The Hatchling is out to get Mike Lee.

etc.

13 posted on 12/29/2015 12:32:17 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: midlander

And all that agreed with that prayer said, “Amen.”


14 posted on 12/29/2015 12:36:46 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

U B da MAN! of letters around here, at least for today (there are other FReepers who also are tied into academic pursuits/literature generation of merit/note).


15 posted on 12/29/2015 12:38:05 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: Vermont Lt

If you can find it, get an article by Brown called “The Missouri Crisis, Slavery, and the Politics of Jacksonianism,” in South Atlantic Quarterly, 1966. Explains the modern day Dems better than anything.


16 posted on 12/29/2015 12:43:53 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

What a fantastic contribution to this forum! Thank you!!


17 posted on 12/29/2015 1:20:43 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Proud to be an Infidel)
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To: LS

Great post. I think you could continue the analogy pretty far along if you substituted illegal immigration for slavery.


18 posted on 12/29/2015 1:35:45 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: LS

Please... Do you really think any large number of Northerners were “abolitionists?” They were simply anti-Southern.

But they got their wishes: just visit inner-cities Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, etc.


19 posted on 12/29/2015 2:10:52 PM PST by Redbob (#BlackCoffeeMatters)
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Yep. Many, many. Lewis Tappan, for example, had a large network in New York. They made up the bulk of the “Liberty” party. Don’t have a percentage, but it was far more than “anti-southern.”


20 posted on 12/29/2015 2:23:47 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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