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Dear Dr. Carson: Our Founding Fathers Were Not Novices
Illinois Review ^ | November 9, 2015 A.D. | John F. Di Leo

Posted on 11/09/2015 2:27:00 PM PST by jfd1776

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1 posted on 11/09/2015 2:27:01 PM PST by jfd1776
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Ah yes, The blessed “we must have experience” argument. Notice the author was very careful to keep out Trumpss name as well as the names of single term senators, Marco Rubio and St Ted of Texas out of it.

“Experienced” candidates.

G Bush, Bill Clinton, Bob Dole Joe Biden, Ted Kennedy, John McCain, Al Gore, GW Bush, John Kerry. Mitt Romney and Barack Hussein Obama

How have your “experienced” candidates worked out of you the last 30 some years? Is the country is SUCH great shape today that you want to give THIS clown posse another chance at the job?

2 posted on 11/09/2015 2:43:09 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: jfd1776

Very good article. Carson’s lack of depth and understanding of the issues becomes more evident everyday. Why else would he be supporting TPP, amnesty, and statehood for Puerto Rico, a country that declared bankruptcy just months ago?

He seems to be trying to draw a comparison between himself and our founding fathers, a comparison in which he falls far short.


3 posted on 11/09/2015 2:43:38 PM PST by conservativejoy ( He supports, amnesty, guncontol,)
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To: jfd1776

John F. Di Leo is a Chicago-based international trade consultant and trainer, actor, and recovering politician

Well based on the Authors standards, he is not someone who has qualification necessary to be advising us about what makes for a qualified Presidential candidates.


4 posted on 11/09/2015 2:45:53 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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On July 4, 1776, many key figures in our revolution were rather young.

Marquis de Lafayette, 18
James Monroe, 18
Aaron Burr, 20
John Marshall, 20
Nathan Hale, 21
Alexander Hamilton, 21
Gouveneur Morris, 24
Betsy Ross, 24
James Madison, 25
Edward Rutledge, 26
John Paul Jones, 28
John Jay, 30
Benjamin Rush, 30
Abigail Adams, 31
Nathanael Greene, 33
Thomas Jefferson, 33

None of the above met the minimum age requirement to be president today. Even if “novice” is not the exact right word, it’s pretty close.


5 posted on 11/09/2015 2:56:13 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Go back and look at the ages of the founders. You’ll be surprised


6 posted on 11/09/2015 2:56:27 PM PST by Stand W ("Gentlemen! You can't fight in here! This is the WAR ROOM!"that)
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To: Stand W

A shame it was never mentioned but the politicians of today do not carry themselves as the ones in the days of yore. Who today would pledge their “Lives, Fortunes and sacred Honor.”? Names, please.


7 posted on 11/09/2015 3:11:08 PM PST by V K Lee (uTRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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To: jfd1776

I wish JohnRob would recall where he hid the secret decoder ring.

These cut-&-paste posts difficult to read because of the strange character inserts for various punctuation marks.


8 posted on 11/09/2015 3:12:40 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: V K Lee

Sorry, those strange do-daddies are the result of attempting to use quotation marks.


9 posted on 11/09/2015 3:13:11 PM PST by V K Lee (uTRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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To: MNJohnnie

MN Johnnie, I’m sorry I’ve offended you by not mentioning your hero Mr Trump....

When my columns are this long (and yes, I admit this was almost 3000 words), I try to resist the temptation to throw in zingers that aren’t directly related...

The subject at hand was Carson’s big lie last week - a whopper so huge that if any Democrat had said it, we all would have pounced on him. He claimed that political experience doesn’t matter, and as proof, he claimed that none of the signers of the Declaration had any elected experience.

You KNOW that if a Dem said that, you’d slam him. It’s an outrageous whopper, no two ways about it.

So yes, my general opinion of the issue applies just as much to Fiorina and Trump. That’s true. But to the best of my knowledge, neither of them deserve to be slammed for this issue, because neither of them have ever CLAIMED that the Signers had no experience.

I’m not going to lump them all in as a uniform group. Carson told the whopper, so I slammed him. I may not be a famous writer or a well paid one, but I do try my best to be a fair one.

JFD


10 posted on 11/09/2015 3:24:28 PM PST by jfd1776 (John F. Di Leo, Illinois Review Columnist)
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To: jfd1776

Carson is using the same rationale Obama used regarding his executive experience:

it is from running his own presidential campaign.

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All candidates should be questioned about the contents of the book(s) they supposedly wrote.


11 posted on 11/09/2015 3:25:39 PM PST by TomGuy
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Pollster1, yes, certainly many of our founders were young at the beginning of the revolution...

but most of the younger ones hadn’t done much of importance by the signing in 1776. The Carson quote concerned the signing of the Declaration, not the Constitutional Convention eleven years later.

Morris, Madison, and Hamilton were to play quite a role in the Constitutional Convention, but in 1776, only Hamilton had really done much for the cause (he had already written several unbelievably powerful articles, attacking Cooper and Seabury in the New York/ New Jersey area press. Amazing)...

No argument with your major point, that we had many great leaders who started out in their youth serving the cause. It’s just not relevant, because the issue at hand is whether the delegates to the Constitutional Convention were politically experienced - as they undeniably were. That’s all.

Cheers,
JFD


12 posted on 11/09/2015 3:28:55 PM PST by jfd1776 (John F. Di Leo, Illinois Review Columnist)
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To: TomGuy

Bravo! Agreed!!!


13 posted on 11/09/2015 3:29:23 PM PST by jfd1776 (John F. Di Leo, Illinois Review Columnist)
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To: Pollster1
True, Jefferson was only 33 when he wrote the Declaration of Independence.

On the other hand, when he was governor of Virginia a few years later, he was not a success.

Young men make revolutions, but if they don't learn from experience quickly they can lose them.

14 posted on 11/09/2015 3:38:07 PM PST by x
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These were the war years. We didn’t seat Washington until 1789.........so add 13 years to each of them.


15 posted on 11/09/2015 3:42:25 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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‘The subject at hand was Carson’s big lie last week - a whopper so huge that if any Democrat had said it, we all would have pounced on him.’

That’s the crux. Many of Carson’s comments would be skewered if they came from Dems. If Carson says them, they are considered off limits for questions and critique.

SMH


16 posted on 11/09/2015 3:47:14 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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For such a smart man, Ben Carson might be the most naive Republican ever to be taken seriously as a Presidential candidate.

Of course the Founders were experienced politicians. Each day Carson seems to do something new to convince us that he’s not a serious candidate, yet his drones, like Trump’s, won’t hear it.


17 posted on 11/09/2015 3:50:11 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Therefore, Sir, I tell you again ... you are necessitated to BREAK them." -- Oliver Cromwell)
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Fascinating article, btw. Thanks for taking the time.


18 posted on 11/09/2015 3:57:09 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: MNJohnnie; All; conservativejoy
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The blessed we must have experience argument.


Sorry, you're against missing the point about your "Saint Ben Carson" ...

Ben Carson's OWN BIOLOGICAL BROTHER "refuses" to utter a single word to collaborate Ben Carson's stories ...


Holy Cow, Batman !!!!

That's a RED FLAG if I ever saw one.


Of course, to the "raving lunatic Carson Adventists", everything is fine in Beluah Land ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WdeC4vWRpo

Sing It, Brother !!!!


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19 posted on 11/09/2015 4:29:41 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne
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The Attempted Destruction Of Ben Carson: All According To GOP Establishment Plan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3357822/posts

Well no wonder your so confident of your predictions on Carson. Your bosses are telling you it is so.

Patton@Bastogne: Boss, they are on to me!

Karl Rove: You know the drill, you take the RED pill and we deny any knowledge of you.

20 posted on 11/09/2015 4:36:18 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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