Posted on 11/03/2015 4:03:32 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
A heater shot at a tgt at that altitude, speed and receding is not physically possible.
Maybe, if jeb! is standing on his tippy toes when he fires it:)
“speculation that a missile had been launched at the jet was simply ‘off the table’”
“I am not sure I trust ....”
Well, then don’t trust it. Trust your won lying eyes. Look at the still photographs and the videos of the Airbus engines and fuselage. I see no shrapnel holes in them, do you? When the Russians shot down Flight MH17 over the Ukraine, you could immediately see the shrapnel holes in the pieces of the fuselage. Even if you pretend all such holes were located only in the pieces of the fuselage and tail that burned, the pieces of shrapnel that became embedded would still remain undestroyed in the wreckage. If such pieces were in the unburned or burned wreckage, they would be quickly discovered by the investigators on the crash sites. I haven’t seen any of them report the finding of any such pieces of shrapnel, have you?
So, if you cannot trust your own eyes when looking for shrapnel holes that are not there, then what are you going to trust?
“A heater shot at a tgt at that altitude, speed and receding is not physically possible.”
Yes, that is precisely what I said multiple times....
Yes, but the tgt was receding (flying away). The engagement envelop is not circular, it has different ranges and altitudes based on the tgt alt, range, close/receding rate. . .and for a shot like that to happen would require an Acq radar network to be set-up and then pass tgt acquisition data to the TTR (because TTR is like looking through a straw and needs Acq radar data feeds to locate the tgt), then TTR needs to be activated (setting off all sorts of ELINT sensors in the region, too include the Israeli’s, then take shot before the jet enters max range for a closing tgt. . .did not happen.
My bad: My post was for the conspiracy-types. I should have been more clear.
Can we just turn Obama and Hildabeast over to the Russians and be done with it?
I distinctly remember when the news of this tragedy first came out, it was stated that there WAS some kind of technical problem/distress call from the cockpit and they do NOT think terrorism was involved even though a terror group was alluding to being responsible. Am I remembering wrong? So now, not long after, as I suspected might happen, it’s a different story. In the beginning of any event no statements should be given other than...we don’t know and are investigating. Tired of the speculation being presented almost as facts these days.
Sure it is possible. But hasn’t it been flying fine for 14 years with the repair it received?
I wonder if they obsess over just what can and cannot be carried on flights like we do here. If not, I wonder if there could have been a shoe bomb passenger or something like that.
Hopefully the black boxes will have the necessary info.
According to Debka, they and the Egyptians lied to cover up and changed their story 3-4 times before Moscow said it was hit by something ‘external’
They’ve got it pretty well documented-
Excellent point Whiskey. Thanks for the insight on the authentication of the video!
I saw the program too.
It was apparently less than 30 minutes after takeoff, maybe it hadn’t reached max altitude?
Exactly. Most likely scenario is simply a wahabbist put a bomb in the cargo hold or some other sabotage. SAMs require some serious hardware and are detectable.
Rocket or Bomb does it really matter? ISIS took Credit for the attack and so they deserve to be pounded to pieces. I say use every terrible weapon Russia has-—from Nukes to germs to gas. make em pay 1,000 lives for each person killed on the plane. Joining ISIS should be a death sentence. Russia sould go into Sini (with the help of Egypt) and clean out that viper’s nest. Then, ISIS proper should be exterminated with extream prejudice.
When Obola and The Witch conspired to overthrow and murder Quadaffi they turned his very large arsenal over to the Muslim Brotherhood and AQ. No doubt he had a number of crew served AA missiles as well as MANPADS. With Egypt also in the hands of the MB and AQ, driving a few of those batteries across the border would have taken no more than some fuel and a few drivers. Also, what about the crew served AA Egyptian missiles that fell into the hands of the MB and AQ when Obola and The Witch turned Egypt over to the MB and AQ? In short, ISIS would have had no trouble at all getting one or more crew served AA missiles that could do this, all of it thanks to Obola and The Witch.
i thought missiles went for heat
this looks like the cockpit exploded
“Sure it is possible. But hasn’t it been flying fine for 14 years with the repair it received?”
Yes, but that is exactly what you would expect with that kind of a stress fracture in a monolithic structure. Aluminum aircraft, commercial and military, are rebuilt and/or retired after so many cycles and flight hours to avoid undetected metal fatigue failures from occurring in flight. In cases such as the novel wings of the TU-144 or the latest composite material aircraft, the engineering assumptions have not yet had sufficient time to reveal whether or not the forecast assumptions about composite material fatigue are fully reliable or not. See what happened with the de Havilland Comet air disasters and how their engineering assumptions about metal fatigue proved to have fatal flaws. Also look at what happened to a 131st Tactical Fighter Wing F-15 when it prematurely cracked and broke apart in mid-air, grounding the fleet of F-15 aircraft. My test pilot uncle and his crew were killed during World War Two when a aircraft manufacturer failed to understand and recognize the metal fatigue in his patrol bomber aircraft caused it to disintegrate during testing over the bombing range.
“i thought missiles went for heat”
Surface-to-air missiles large enough to intercept an airliner at 31,000 to 33,000 feet of altitude typically use radar guidance systems and more.
“this looks like the cockpit exploded”
That is what you can expect a cockpit section to look like after it free falls from up to 5 miles high in the air and impact the ground.
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