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Greeks embrace bartering to survive economic collapse — and soon, you will too
PersonalLiberty.com ^ | 23SEP2015 | Sam Rolley

Posted on 09/27/2015 6:01:08 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine

In Greece, the age-old practice of bartering for goods and services is experiencing a renaissance as the nation endures the sixth year of its debt-driven economic meltdown. And as bartering has come to mean the difference between starvation and survival for some Greeks, Americans ought to take note.

The New York Times on Monday explained how virtual barter networks are popping up in Greece to help individuals and small businesses in the nation survive harsh capital controls put in place to combat a long-standing liquidity crisis.

Earlier this year, many Greeks found themselves unable to withdraw money from banks for daily necessities or business expenses because of long wait lines or, worse, the institutions’ shutting their doors altogether.

Imagine the frustration of being unable to access basic goods and services because of the collapse of the fiat financial system upon which you once relied to make sure that there was food on the table and a roof over your head.

Even scarier, imagine the anxiety suffered by skilled workers and business owners with something to offer customers but afforded no government-sanctioned avenue to leverage skills and goods to fulfill personal needs.

The Times reported that Greeks, confronted with those very problems, have found ways to survive despite their government’s economic incompetence.

From the report:

As Greece grapples with a continued downturn, bartering is gaining traction at the margins of the economy, part of a collection of worrisome signs for Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras who was re-elected on Sunday.

Graphic artists are exchanging designs for olive oil. Accountants swap advice for office supplies. In the agricultural heartland and on the Greek islands, informal bartering, which has historically helped communities survive, has intensified as more people exchange fruits, vegetables, other crops, equipment, clothing and services.

And while some of the bartering is taking place in the old-fashioned form of handshakes on the street, technology has also provided Greeks opportunities to barter for a wider range of goods and services than the traditional this-for-that bartering model would allow.

Again from the Times report:

Much of it is being done virtually through online networks that match offers and needs, a digital twist on a centuries-old tradition.

After capital controls were imposed in June, about 6,000 users signed up for Tradenow, on top of 25,000 registered members. Even small businesses that had previously shunned barter networks as unworkable have come aboard.

The system equates one tradepoint to one euro, and lets users barter directly or rack up the digital currency to get goods and services from others in the community. To attract business, users can also deal in a mix of euros and points.

The modern online systems make bartering more efficient. The activity can also have a multiplier effect in the economy, generating new work and business.

In Greece, it has taken six years for even a modest barter economy to take shape in the face of one of the most painful economic collapses in modern history.

Why? Because, much like in the U.S. today, mainstream economic thinking and government denial that economic collapse would never happen made bartering seem a cumbersome alternative to fast-moving fiat currency. Naturally, Greek individuals and businesses faced a learning curve.

In the U.S., you can bet that the barter economy would be much slower to grow any semblance of mainstream acceptance following an economic meltdown. One problem would be that the federal government would do anything in its power to shut down barter networks as the economy worsened. After all, businesses’ and individuals’ abandonment of the dollar would represent the ultimate proof that fiat money has no value beyond propping up those who control its distribution.

But there’s an even bigger problem. Most Americans today can imagine no scenario in which the U.S. would reach point of economic turmoil that has befallen Greece.

In fact, outside of alternative media publications like The Bob Livingston Letter™, there’s been hardly any mention in recent years of how bad the U.S. economy really looks to those with a view from the inside.

Lloyd Darland, in his book “The Emperor’s Clothes Cost Twenty Dollars,” explained how the Federal Reserve’s sins of the past are leading the U.S. toward rapid economic decline.

The biggest losers, Darland said, will be average American consumers.

Livingston has similarly predicted: “Bread will cost $25 a loaf. Hamburger meat will cost $60/pound. Gas will cost $37/ gallon … that’s a $500 fill up. I know this sounds absolutely insane. But you need to prepare NOW because it’s already started …”

And while warnings like those from Livingston and Darland continue to lie outside the realm of mainstream economic thought in the U.S., the validity of those long-standing warnings is slowly being realized.

Consider this report from the Washington Examiner in June:

With all the chaos unravelling in Greece, Congress would be wise to do what it takes to avoid reaching Greek debt levels. But it’s not a matter of sticking to the status quo and avoiding bad decisions that would put the budget on a Greek-like path, because the budget is on that path already.

A quarter-century ago, Greek debt levels were roughly 75 percent of Greece’s economy — about equal to what the U.S. has now. As of 2014, Greek debt levels are about 177 percent of national GDP. Now, the country is considering defaulting on its loans and uncertainty is gripping the economy.

In 25 years, U.S. debt levels are projected to reach 156 percent of the economy, which Greece had in 2012. That projection comes from the Congressional Budget Office’s alternative scenario, which is more realistic than its standard fiscal projection about which spending programs Congress will extend into the future.

That’s right, the past 25 years of U.S. economic policy are almost a mirror image of the 25 years leading up to the Greek collapse.

In other words, it’s probably a good time to start honing your bartering skills and encouraging your friends, neighbors and business associates to consider doing the same.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: alexistsipras; barter; bitcoin; cryptocurrency; europeanunion; foreignexchange; gold; greece; peliononossa; shtf; syriza; taxevasion
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To: SaveFerris

Are we thinking this is “The Mark”?


41 posted on 09/27/2015 8:27:34 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy from Occupied Europa)
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To: Lucy Hamilton; laplata

No. This is NOT the Mark of the Beast.

Revelation 13:11-18 very clearly shows it must be done with allegiance to the Satanic messiah Antichrist. And the False Prophet has all the power of Satan just like the Antichrist does.

BUT, this DOES show how easily such a system can be deployed, right NOW.

How far away can it be? Dunno.


42 posted on 09/27/2015 8:33:08 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Pollster1

Tanning is not difficult to learn. It is a lot of work. I have tanned deer, elk, sheep and many small critters. Once you have tanned a few hides you will gladly pay someone else to do it.


43 posted on 09/27/2015 8:39:53 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: SaveFerris

No. This is NOT the Mark of the Beast.


I understand that.

And yes, it shows how easily most brain dead people will accept anything “convenient”.


44 posted on 09/27/2015 8:42:43 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: SaveFerris

I expect it’ll eventually be the RFID chip.

They’re doing a pilot now in various countries, chipping people in their RIGHT hand I must mention, they would like everyone chipped by 2017 they say.


45 posted on 09/27/2015 8:44:58 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy from Occupied Europa)
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To: laplata

Yeah, that was mostly for Lucy’s benefit. But I wanted to acknowledge your post at the same time.

;)


46 posted on 09/27/2015 8:48:04 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Lucy Hamilton

Could be.


47 posted on 09/27/2015 8:48:44 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Tax-chick

Intrinsic value. Invest in lead too.


48 posted on 09/27/2015 8:50:55 PM PDT by Mean Daddy
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To: PROCON

There’s also a big black market going in Venezuela now......

People get in line at stores and move around cities on motorcyles to line up at other stores to buy goods in short supply, then resell stuff at a markup.


49 posted on 09/27/2015 8:51:51 PM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: SaveFerris

I think so.


50 posted on 09/27/2015 8:58:14 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy from Occupied Europa)
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To: Nextrush; RushIsMyTeddyBear; metmom; CynicalBear; SkyPilot; tuffydoodle; tang-soo; righttackle44; ..
And another striking image from Venezuela - this is required to get gov't food assistance. This is from ZeroHedge.


51 posted on 09/27/2015 8:58:42 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Lucy Hamilton

to above


52 posted on 09/27/2015 8:59:43 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: SaveFerris

Thanks.


53 posted on 09/27/2015 9:05:25 PM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: SaveFerris

It’s all very alarming, it’s obvious that they’re preparing people.


54 posted on 09/27/2015 9:06:00 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy from Occupied Europa)
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To: SaveFerris

The good thing about this, is that people like us know what to expect, because we’ve read about it, we’ve been forewarned.

The sheeple who brush aside everything, they’ll accept it, whereas we won’t, we won’t accept any sort of mark.


55 posted on 09/27/2015 9:08:16 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy from Occupied Europa)
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To: Lucy Hamilton

Bump.


56 posted on 09/27/2015 9:10:40 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (I'm fed up.)
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To: SaveFerris; Kartographer

The hazards of not being independent.


57 posted on 09/27/2015 9:13:53 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: laplata

“And yes, it shows how easily most brain dead people will accept anything “convenient”.”

Which is part of the reason the world’s already in the mess its in.


58 posted on 09/27/2015 9:18:22 PM PDT by Lucy Hamilton (Lucy from Occupied Europa)
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To: Tax-chick
“..who would barter something useful for something useless?”

I think the whole idea is to have/make something useful to trade for something useful. But yes - that can be difficult to find that one-on-one situation. (Hence money was developed).

But, I have a bunch of my kid's clothes (and some adult stuff) that I have stored away. I hope that I am nuts for saving it, but if need be, I can barter it away. Although my biggest need in a total wipe-out would probably be food - and not sure who is going to give their kid's food up for some clothes. A farmer or gardener I suppose?

If it wasn't completely bad, perhaps hiring a young family man to help chop wood for my stove in exchange for some clothes.

I'm guessing that, like the Greeks, the successful ones would be very creative.

59 posted on 09/27/2015 9:21:30 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: Lucy Hamilton

I think preparing to control people. For “peace and security” / “peace and safety”.

They’re here to help. Or something like that.


60 posted on 09/27/2015 11:09:21 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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