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4 Reasons that Waco Biker Gang Shootout Reflects Badly on Police
Reason ^ | June 2, 2015 | Brian Doherty

Posted on 06/03/2015 8:48:50 AM PDT by don-o

What was initially reported as a motorcycle gang shootout that killed nine and wounded 18 to which police heroically responded last month in Waco, TX, at the Twin Peaks restaurant seems a bit more complicated, and bit worse for the cops, than that as further details have been revealed.

This week one of the people arrested at the scene, Matthew Clendennen, filed a lawsuit directly against the officers involved in the incident (Manuel Chavez by name, the others as John and Jane Does) as well as the city.

From that suit filing, in which Mr. Clendennen presents himself as a man with no criminal record, former fireman, small business owner on whom employees depend, and father of three who also depend on his ability to earn income, not to rot in jail. He insists he committed no crime and had no intention of committing any crime when he was arrested while in the Twin Peaks restaurant in the aftermath of the shooting event, and that:

Despite the fact that...Clendennen committed no criminal acts he was arrested at Twin Peaks on or about May 17, 2015 without probable cause and his motorcycle was illegally seized....On or about May 18, 2015, Chavez, aided by [unnamed other police officers], presented a criminal complaint (the “criminal complaint”) against...Clendennen to Justice of the Peace Walter H. "Pete" Peterson (Peterson)....The criminal complaint alleges that Plaintiff Matthew Alan Clendennen committed the capital offense of engaging in organized criminal activity and is attached hereto as Attachment A.

It is believed that Peterson was chosen by Chavez, Does 1-10 and Does 11-20 because he is a former Texas Department of Public Safety Trooper with no formal legal training......the identical criminal complaint used in Plaintiff Matthew Alan Clendennen’s case was used to justify the arrest of more than 100 other individuals and only the names were changed in the various criminal complaints.

The complaint alleges absolutely no individualize probable cause to establish that Plaintiff Matthew Alan Clendennen engaged in organized criminal activity. Moreover, Chavez...failed to inform Peterson that Plaintiff Matthew Alan Clendennen was not a member of the Cossacks nor the Bandidos and that he did not participate in any of the violence occurring at Twin Peaks but instead hid from the violence.

Clendennen is claiming that 170 people on the scene were just rounded up and arrested, in many cases had their motorcycles stolen by police, and were given a uniform $1 million dollar bond with no particular individual reason to believe they had committed any crime at all. He's actually trying to hit not just the city government, but the specific officers who arrested him, with liability for violating his rights. He claims to be at risk of losing both any custody of two of his children and his landscaping business while in jail.

According to this local NBC report, it will be months before those arrested at Twin Peaks get a probable cause hearing. But this week the insanely high bond was reduced for many of them, and some of them started getting out.

There are at least four reasons to wonder if the police account and actions about the motorcycle gang shootout that they allege to have pacified are above reproach:

1) As Clendennen's lawsuit notes, there is insufficient reason to believe that all the 170 arrested even committed any actual crime.

2) The police originally claimed that all those they arrested were members of the two "criminal gangs" most implicated in the deaths, the Bandidos and Cossacks; Associated Press found that not only were they not all members of those specific gangs, but whatever the criminality of the gangs, 115 of the arrested had no criminal records in Texas at least.

3) The police originally claimed over 1,000 weapons were confiscated on site, a number then downgraded to 318; but having a weapon on one's person is neither evidence of having committed nor having planned to commit a crime, but certainly can when announced to the press make some nervous people think, wow, glad the police started opening fire on that crowd!

4) Despite police reports that the fighting and shooting began inside the restaurant and spilled out, closed-circuit footage of the restaurant seen by AP and reports from the restaurateurs to the AP indicate the shooting began outside, which is where the police already were.

The police were already surrounding the restaurant in force, ready for action. Exactly how and why they began firing on the bikers and what happened before then should not necessarily be trusted merely from their mouths. They still have not officially announced how many of the dead or wounded were shot by police themselves.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bandidos; cossacks; donutwatch; texas; waco; wacobikers; whereistheaclu
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Cleary you are way behind the times, and clearly you are NOT a paid operative or you would be aware that the Mongols had zip to do with this thing in Waco.

You are ignorant of the facts, even the most rudimentary one, and have obviously done ZERO independent digging,m let alone critical thinking. You are knee-jerking to a template and being led by the nose.

It's too damned bad you identify yourself as a "conservative," because your behavior is that of the most naïve idiot leftist tool.

101 posted on 06/03/2015 4:21:02 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny
Thank you for the encouragement over what the accounting more accurately(?) may indicate.

Just a few shallow-minded among us, there for a while, were making out-sized noises over this issue, making it seem like the more perceptive & constitutionally-conscious were out-numbered.

What really irritates is that a few of the gaslighting crowd seem to be dim bulbs, themselves.

I guess I could thank them for being so lousy at what they were being useful idiots for?

Still, I do hate lies. I'd like to think that I don't even like the relatively(?) few little lies I've told, in my own life.

102 posted on 06/03/2015 4:26:51 PM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: Finny

Sorry, Cossacks. FO


103 posted on 06/03/2015 4:31:45 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Out of, say, 170 Bandidos and Mongols (a gang that wasn't there ... Mongols are some bad dudes, I have blood relatives who've had run-ins with them) and Cossacks (you might want to bone up on the news reports there, pal) ...

... out of those bikers who indeed have nothing to do with the average black-leather and colors-wearing biker club member, OUT of 170 supposed dangerous bikers of the caliber of the typical Mongol --

How many, would you say, would have criminal records or prior arrests?

And by the way, since you are so informed on this, why don't you tell us all about the criminal record of J.D. Rodriguez, one of the "dangerous bikers" killed in the melee? And why don't you tell us which criminal biker club he belonged to? Many of us here know the answers to those questions -- why don't you answer them and thus prove to us that you at least have some clue as to what you're shooting your mouth off about?

104 posted on 06/03/2015 4:32:04 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

So, cossacks, not Mongols.

So what, a bunch of local city boys wanted to hang with the bad boys. Good thinkin’

Just makin’ it up as you go along.

I hear this may turn out pretty damning for the criminals, so we’ll just wait and see.


105 posted on 06/03/2015 4:35:01 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
In other words, ya got nothin' and are pretty much ignorant of the available facts.

Don't worry -- I get it. You're a phony baloney. For all I know, you live in Malibu and have never set foot in Oklahoma. That's about how much credibility and trustworthiness you've exhibited here.

106 posted on 06/03/2015 4:36:56 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny

I have a lot more faith in the cops. The main two gangs are nothing more than the Cartels and jihadist’s on motorscooters.

I’ll be watchin for you cop haters when the next riot breaks out. Hope George Soro’s checks don’t bounce.


107 posted on 06/03/2015 4:43:31 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
-- I hear this may turn out pretty damning for the criminals ... --

One would hope so, but getting convictions requires either competence or corruption.

Meanwhile, it appears that a significant number of innocent people have had their lives seriously disrupted by people who want to lay claim to being "the good guys."

108 posted on 06/03/2015 4:44:55 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
You are probably not aware that J.D. Rodriguez, a life-long Harley rider and Texas local who got shot, was a decorated Marine (Purple Heart), had exactly ZERO criminal record in Texas, and was apparently affiliated with ZERO motorcycle clubs (ones he had belonged to in the past no longer even exist).

That you think he is DEAD today because he was among "a bunch of local city boys who wanted to hang with the bad boys," tells a whole helluva lot more about you than it does about him.

109 posted on 06/03/2015 4:48:41 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
How many guns were confiscated? 125+??

Repeating my question, And your point is....?

110 posted on 06/03/2015 4:48:57 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Yep. Shooting your mouth off on an event about which you are clearly ignorant, like a guy who knows all about a movie he's never watched, or a food he's never eaten.

Such are the types of people who have "a lot more faith in the cops."

I bet a lot of cops who read your words are wishing you would just shut up and quit making them look bad by association.

111 posted on 06/03/2015 4:57:51 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: don-o; ImJustAnotherOkie
Yeah, don-o, ImJustAnotherDupe lives in a place where ignorance is bliss.

He doesn't know anything and he likes it that way. It lets him hold on to his comforting illusions.

112 posted on 06/03/2015 5:00:07 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny; ImJustAnotherOkie

Me thinks that is ImJustAnotherOkie is either closely related to T-G or is the same imbecilic troll


113 posted on 06/03/2015 5:04:41 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Ted Cruz for President ... all others are cheap imitations)
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To: clamper1797

Could be — his style/voice does sound similar, but then again, I stopped reading TG’s posts awhile ago. If after three times I ask a direct question in a civil manner hoping for a response, and get evasions instead, then it’s clear that reading that person’s input is then a waste of time like a hamster wheel.


114 posted on 06/03/2015 5:08:55 PM PDT by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Jay Redhawk

I don’t think there were any Banditos dead.

The eight Cassacks is reported correctly. But the Vietnam Vet purple heart recipient is reported to be non-affiliated.

Not sure about injured, but it appears no Banditos killed.


115 posted on 06/03/2015 5:22:38 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!)
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To: Texas Fossil

Way more questions than answers right now.

By this time after the crime; didn’t they have the Boston Bombers all figured out and in custody with all the cameras and facial recognition software being combed over? Yeah. I know this ain’t Boston or as big a deal to the public but it is a big deal to millions of us who do care.

Didn’t they have a funeral recently for the Bandido? If so; that would make 7 Cossacks and our fallen Marine.


116 posted on 06/03/2015 7:41:16 PM PDT by Boomer (America; love it or leave it. It isn't just a bumper sticker.)
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To: bgill

thanks...


117 posted on 06/04/2015 8:31:54 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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