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How would James Madison and Thomas Jefferson handle the problem of a rogue post constitutional federal government of unbridled hubris and insatiable appetite?
1 posted on 05/23/2015 3:15:50 PM PDT by concernedcitizen76
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State nullification doesn’t work if voters elect state politicians who are as clueless about the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers as the voters are.


2 posted on 05/23/2015 3:26:02 PM PDT by Amendment10
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fascinating article. Only about halfway through but I did not know a lot of this. I did not realize States wielded such great power. I hope they start using it more agaimst this monstrous government


3 posted on 05/23/2015 3:29:22 PM PDT by dp0622
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The Civil War was not fought over nullification, and as I’ve said above, at the time of the war it was the northern states that had much more recently been engaged in nullification.

Not really. Several states took a passive approach to the Fugitive Slave Act. They found the practice abhorrent and did not wish to participate.

4 posted on 05/23/2015 3:46:24 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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Most States haven't a damn clue. As long as the Federal Government passes billions for the States to use there will be no Nullification. Dream on. Only damn good State in this Country is Texas. They are getting real pissed on our dictator King Obama and his criminal empire.
5 posted on 05/23/2015 3:57:01 PM PDT by Logical me
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Andrew Jackson put that concept to bed 180 years ago.


6 posted on 05/23/2015 4:05:44 PM PDT by gusty
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Mr. Woods mentions de facto state nullificaton of the Big Brother REAL ID Act. About 25 states have refused to adhere to that federal mandate.

States have nullified federal gun laws: “analysis shows 14 such bills were passed by legislators in 11 states, mainly in Western states, along with Kansas, Tennessee and Alaska. Of those, 11 were signed into law, though one was later struck down in court. In Montana, Missouri and Oklahoma, three others were vetoed.

Discontent with Washington, US states look to nullify federal laws
02/10/2015
Reuters/Mark Leffingwell

State legislatures in the US are considering more than 200 bills – from gun rights to marijuana accessibility – that would nullify or work around various federal laws and regulations crafted in Washington, according to a states’ rights advocacy group.

The Tenth Amendment Center told The Hill the 200-plus pieces of current legislation seeking to challenge or wrest control from the federal government mark a climate of both suspicion and empowerment. The center tracks and supports states’ rights initiatives across the country.

“People are becoming more and more concerned about the overreach of the federal government,” said the group’s spokesman, Mike Maharrey. “They feel the federal government is trying to do too much, it’s too big and it’s getting more and more in debt.”

While federal law ultimately supersedes state law – if enforcement power is exercised – the Tenth Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights, says that the federal government is limited to powers granted in the US Constitution.

For instance, a bill that would “block any future federal bans on firearms or magazines” passed the Montana state House on Monday. Montana’s bill is one of eleven nationwide, according to the center, that aim to counter federal gun control measures.

Twelve states are seeking to challenge federal surveillance authority vested in the likes of the National Security Agency, revealed in June 2013 to be operating a global spying regime to advance American domestic and foreign policy goals.

In another 12 states, bills have been introduced to legalize some form of marijuana, whether it be medical, recreational, or both.

Both the New Jersey state Assembly and Senate have passed a measure to halt the state’s participation in the Pentagon’s 1033 program, which supplies surplus military weaponry to local law enforcement agencies. Gov. Chris Christie has yet to sign the bill into law.

The 1033 program and police militarization overall have received heightened scrutiny – especially after the civil unrest in Ferguson, Mo. last year, when, after a fatal police shooting of an unarmed teenager, the angered community was besieged by local police driving armored vehicles and tossing tear gas into protesting crowds.

As RT has reported, New Hampshire is one of five other states seeking laws to curb its participation in federal combat-gear programs.

Seven states have introduced measures that would mean opting out of the federal government’s purported authority to indefinitely detain a person within the US, a power that was granted under the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) and the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force. The NDAA provision was signed by President Barack Obama in early 2012 amid the Occupy movement in the US.

Three states – California, Michigan, and Virginia – have passed some form of an anti-indefinite detention law.

In recent years, the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, has been the favorite federal law that states have tried to redress.

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 21 states have passed laws and measures that challenge or attempt to opt out of the health reform law. Since the law’s passage in 2010, at least 47 of 50 state legislatures have considered bills to “limit, alter, or oppose selected state or federal actions” related to the federal health law’s passage, according to the NCSL.


10 posted on 05/23/2015 4:41:02 PM PDT by concernedcitizen76 (Term limits. Repeal the 16th and 17th amendments. Sunset bureaucracies.)
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before any state can do that, the state politicians must be well versed on the 10th amendment. But the big problem is the “GOLDEN RULE”, Them that got the gold makes the rules. All the federal government has to do is cut off the states from all those federal dollars, that would even dare try that. No, the best way to castrate these GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACIES is in Washington. If we could elect enough REALLY CONSERVATIVES to go to Washington, they would act to get rid of 3/4 of all these Alphabet Government Agencies. Just do away with them. I realize that who ever is the president, he must do this within 100 days of his appointment as president.


12 posted on 05/23/2015 4:54:56 PM PDT by gingerbread
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While this article is excellent, it unfortunately does not get to the root of the problem. You see, the People no longer have standing before local, State or federal governments, because those governments are only acting in their corporate capacities anymore, as redeemed by the 14th Amendment. And within that capacity the People with rights are turned into persons and individuals with mere government-granted privileges.

And no Court at any level will sit in its common law capacity anymore - only as a corporate administrative Court. And so, while the People still exist, they are no longer recognized, and persons and individuals are subjects of the corporate State and have no powers to challenge it. So it’s not so much that the People don’t exist, but rather that they’ve been preferentially replaced by the presumption that they have voluntarily given up their rights for privileges.

And since that presumption is universal in government, there literally are no aspects of government operating anymore that recognise free human beings - by what is accepted as the only law. Only corporate persons and individuals can be “seen” now.

And that, my friends, is the biggest problem of all, because it “nullifies” anything anyone does based on rights as being invisible. And it does it precisely because government-granted privileges do not extend to challenging the legitimacy of the government.


16 posted on 05/23/2015 5:52:36 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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By all means possible, to relieve the bastards of Our Country’s inconvenience- by their rogue expense, of the well noosed neck.


18 posted on 05/23/2015 10:42:39 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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bkmrk


19 posted on 05/24/2015 12:25:50 AM PDT by Pelham (The refusal to deport is defacto amnesty)
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