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I do not understand your post. If the organized liberal political machines on the state level will override any conservative agenda, what advantage does it yield if we return the election of senators to state legislatures?

As to whether we should advance only an article 7 repeal as the purpose of the Article V movement, I think that emphasis would be misplaced. First, there are other more important amendments such as term limits, balanced budgets and review of regulations; second, repeal of the 17th amendment would not be popular, certainly not as relatively popular as term limits or balanced budget and to emphasize that reform to the exclusion of others would be to waste political energy; third, we only have so much political energy much of it will be expended in the first effort and that attempt should be done right, for a very popular cause, and one which has a good chance of working real reform.

I have often posted that I do not believe that state legislators are any more noble than federal legislators, only that they have a different set of motives for veniality which should work in favor of genuine reform for a time.

Having watched multiple important elections at the state level the Liberals are way more organized on important issues. they will not be as organized or motivated if the 17th amendment is repealed. For a convention...they will be out in force...repeal of the 17th, the left will not understand as much, thus the chance to get it repealed.

Conservatives at least have a fighting chance state level for senators being appointed as the founding fathers intended.

Term limits will only produce a permanent class of bureaucracy much like the byzantine empire

Our Founding fathers knew history well

Repeal the 17th first...then ponder the 16th

"I have often posted that I do not believe that state legislators are any more noble than federal legislators, only that they have a different set of motives for veniality which should work in favor of genuine reform for a time.

This is where "we the people" can make a difference and MUST become energetically involved. Read some history about significant battles of the revolution where rag tag groups of citizens stared down organized armies and their cannons. Then look at the turn defending liberty has taken in the 21st century.

The most effort put out by the majority of people is to forward a hand full of email jokes and cartoons to friends every week. When it comes to getting up and showing force against the tyranny of growing government most people shy away.

THAT IS WHY WE LOSE ...and they win. The Article V alternative can work to the benefit of the republic is, as Ben Franklin said: We care to keep it.

" third, we only have so much political energy much of it will be expended in the first effort and that attempt should be done right, for a very popular cause, and one which has a good chance of working real reform."

Amen to that. I'm sure the detailed specifics of these are in progress as we write. Very important to get this right the first time. If done right, it can be a venue 500 years from now. .