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NV: Shooting through the Door is a bad idea
Gun Watch ^ | 5 February, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 02/06/2015 10:29:28 AM PST by marktwain

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Most pistol and shotgun rounds will easily penetrate exterior doors at close range.
1 posted on 02/06/2015 10:29:28 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Justified by job title.


2 posted on 02/06/2015 10:38:08 AM PST by samtheman
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Most pistol and shotgun rounds will easily penetrate exterior doors at close range.

And if they don't then they're not going to penetrate bad guys.

3 posted on 02/06/2015 10:41:04 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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Whether to shoot or not depends...there’s no correct answer apart from the situation.


4 posted on 02/06/2015 10:43:28 AM PST by 556x45
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To: marktwain

Another 8th grade level essay. I give it a C-.

Having said that, NEVER shoot at something you cannot see.


5 posted on 02/06/2015 10:45:57 AM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: marktwain

“There need not be actual danger when somebody defends himself or herself,” the prosecutor said.

OK.

Consider hallucinations, from whatever source.

Consider watching Ferguson on TV.

Consider ‘non-existent’ invasion over our border.

Consider Jeb Bush.

Just close your eyes; ‘see’ your greatest danger.

Then let loose with a full magazine (or clip, whichever you have), through your door.

I’ve been listening to the news. I think I’ll order a dozen doors (discount contractors pack) from Home Depot.


6 posted on 02/06/2015 10:47:48 AM PST by Scrambler Bob (/s /s /s /s /s, my replies are "liberally" sprinkled with them behind every word and letter.!)
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As an aside, I knew the story of one man who purchased a home not knowing it had previously been a suburban brothel for many years. So soon after he moved in, he started getting late night and early morning drunken and obnoxious door bangers.

Efforts to explain to the drunks that the former owners had moved were fruitless, so he hit on the idea of a loud electrical air horn and strobe light. So, when he would get a late night or early morning door knocking, he just flicked a switch next to his bed for a few seconds.


7 posted on 02/06/2015 10:53:06 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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marktwain said: "Most pistol and shotgun rounds will easily penetrate exterior doors at close range."

A bullet dropped from a four foot height will hit the floor in about one-half second.

The same bullet fired horizontally at 1000 feet per second will hit the ground about 500 feet from where the gun is fired (ignoring air resistance).

If you fire a bullet through a door and assume that the bullet loses half its energy, then its velocity will be reduced to 70% of its original velocity, which means the bullet will hit the ground at 350 feet.

A slight upward angle of the gun could increase this distance considerably.

If you decide to fire through a door, you risk hitting any person within several hundred feet of the door. Its quite a risk.

It's been years since I've looked, but I've seen boxes of .22 caliber rounds marked with a warning that the maximum ranges is 1.5 MILES.

Perhaps the world needs a new type of frangible bullet which self-destructs when it reaches 30 or 40 feet from where it is fired. I believe that birdshot in a shotgun behaves this way at least to some extend. It is extremely deadly while the pellets are clustered and much less lethal after the pellets have formed a wider pattern.

8 posted on 02/06/2015 10:55:08 AM PST by William Tell
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“Having said that, NEVER shoot at something you cannot see.”

If I see my locked door coming toward me, I am going to shoot it.


9 posted on 02/06/2015 10:57:01 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: marktwain

> ... it may be difficult to show that you believed that you were confronting a deadly threat.

That’s what shovels are for.


10 posted on 02/06/2015 11:01:57 AM PST by BuffaloJack (When did the 2nd amendment suddenly require a license or permit for a gun?)
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To: marktwain

But Joe Biden said ....


11 posted on 02/06/2015 11:02:03 AM PST by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am ...)
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To: William Tell

“It’s been years since I’ve looked, but I’ve seen boxes of .22 caliber rounds marked with a warning that the maximum ranges is 1.5 MILES. “

It could put an eye out, but that is about all.


12 posted on 02/06/2015 11:11:42 AM PST by TexasGator
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TexasGator said: "It could put an eye out, but that is about all."

What part of my posting are you referring to? The birdshot?

13 posted on 02/06/2015 11:19:11 AM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell

“What part of my posting are you referring to? The birdshot? “

The part I quoted in my post.


14 posted on 02/06/2015 11:20:14 AM PST by TexasGator
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To: TexasGator
I re-read your post and see that you are referring to the maximum distance of a .22 caliber bullet.

Perhaps at the maximum distance little damage would be done, but I'd still hate to be hit by one at only a mile, for example. I wonder what the terminal velocity of a .22 caliber bullet would be if dropped vertically.

15 posted on 02/06/2015 11:22:30 AM PST by William Tell
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To: William Tell

If you are interested in such a device, perhaps you should investigate a .410 pistol, such as the Taurus Judge.

I’ve occasionally considered buying one myself.


16 posted on 02/06/2015 11:56:57 AM PST by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: William Tell

Not that it matters but I have seen my father and his friend when I was younger down a 600 lb cow with one shot to the head at about 25 yards or so.

Not sure it would work through a door but I respect the 22LR, also made a wonderful gun when jacklighting a deer at night when you wanted to be discreet.

For the record in the early 70’s times were tough for my family and others around us and nothing was ever wasted.


17 posted on 02/06/2015 12:03:44 PM PST by Johnny_cash
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To: William Tell
"... Perhaps the world needs a new type of frangible bullet which self-destructs when it reaches 30 or 40 feet from where it is fired. I believe that birdshot in a shotgun behaves this way at least to some extent"

You propose a physics challenge that cannot be met by a suitably efficient self-defense firearm. There are certain solutions that have long existed in archery that meet your requirements but they're intended for bird hunting.

Closest thing I can imagine in a gas-propelled (gunpowder or compressed air) projectile that meets your conditions would be a large bore black powder cannon (perhaps a British Navy 12-pounder mounted on a wheeled carriage) using maybe less than one hundred grains of black powder as propellant.

The few other ideas I can think meeting your requirements would probably be regarded as NFA-controlled 'destructive devices' or Title II weapons.

There is some goofball who is marketing a new less-lethal muzzle attached projectile weapon to law enforcement, but his invention is absurd.

18 posted on 02/06/2015 12:06:21 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: marktwain
Confused? Plugs Biden said it was copacetic.
19 posted on 02/06/2015 12:09:24 PM PST by CodeJockey
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To: Chuckster

My brother shoots at hallucinations.


20 posted on 02/06/2015 12:25:34 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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