Posted on 02/02/2015 12:28:23 PM PST by rfreedom4u
My daughter will turn 19 this month. She is our fifth child. She has also been the most worrying to us as she started using drugs a long time ago. She said she first smoked weed at age 12. Since then she has gone on the try many other drugs to include meth, cocaine, pills and LSD and a few others I can’t name. Last year she was in intensive care for 8 days. She has also been in jail about seven or eight times and gone through rehab twice. She is currently living with her mother and I at home but things are getting very tense. She broke up with her boyfriend and says that the stress of breakup makes her want to go get high and chill with her friends. Her friends are not true friends as they are also on drugs. Every time she hangs out with them she stays wasted for a couple days and I had to take her to the ER twice due to overdose on alcohol. Add to all this she has been beat up several times and raped twice that she has admitted to. When you add into this chaos the fact that my wife suffers from a mental illness which is made worse with stress it gets even more chaotic. Now I am at the point where I will soon have to make the choice of allowing my wife to be hospitalized because of her mental illness or I put my daughter out because of the strife she is causing. We’ve offered her all the help in the world and she continues to go on binges and tell us that what we offer won’t help. The last time she got wasted she told us all to “Go f***” ourselves. That night she left the house and was brought home by the police when they found her walking down the highway. As a parent I love my daughter endlessly. But I don’t see how (or why) I should continue to allow her to destroy the rest of the family. But at the same time I feel guilty for what I am considering. We can’t force her into treatment as she is an “adult” and I’m afraid that she will either end up in prison or dead. All this started I believe because she started smoking weed. The weed lowered her inhibitions and resistance and she started doing other drugs. So I truly believe that weed is a gateway drug and should never be legalized. If someone needs it for medicinal purposes they should have to go to a pharmacy for it just like we do with other prescription medications. It hurts me to do it, but I think I may be evicting her from the house today when I get home from work.
The only "exposure" that would be done to those people is legal availability - which can't in and of itself kill anyone; the sort of "exposure" that can kill some users of alcohol or other drugs is the sort people do to themselves, namely use.
That immuned people get some pleasure does in no way make up for the fact that susceptible people DIE.
Only in a collectivist philosophy can the pleasure of A even be weighed in the same scale as the self-inflicted death of B. By your logic, since as you point out milk can be harmful to some people, it should at a minimum be under much tighter restrictions than is currently the case: only people who can show that they or someone in their care has physiological needs that can be met only by milk should be permitted to purchase milk. And peanuts can KILL.
The harms of marijuana are likewise now well known - and if that knowledge is less widespread than for tobacco, IMO that has less to do with the dwindling frequency of 'it's harmless' claims than with the hysterical nonsense spewed by anti-marijuana zealots, which feeds the notion that all negative statements about marijuana are nonsense.
I find this odd as very few of the people I know over 50 are on these drugs. Different crowds I guess.
Traffic fatalities are down in Colorado since pot was legalized.
I haven't seen any "drug boosting" here - but what's well established is that you never miss a chance to talk about me. What's up with that?
What’s up is that you never miss a chance to promote legalization of drugs, including heroin.
Wrong - what libertarians want is for government to defend individual rights, nothing less and nothing more.
You use false analogies, so why bother?
I’ll post whenever I run into your drivel.
For example ... ?
Your Burke quotation establishes that marijuana legalization "has nothing to do with freedom" only under the baseless assumption that all marijuana use is "intemperate."
I’ll be praying for you and your family and that you have guidance on what the right decision is for your daughter.
I agree with you that your generosity and mercy towards her is not being appreciated. Maybe there is nothing more you can do but to give her up to the Lord and take care of yourself and your wife - who needs and truly deserves the attention and efforts you are wasting on your daughter. Like you said, she is an adult and MUST be held responsible for her own actions. There’s a saying, “Sometimes you have to be flat on your back before you look up.”. Perhaps this will be what it takes for her to wake up and realize the precious life she is tossing away.
I’m sorry you are having to go through this.
... is heartbreaking.
They are as arrogant and tyrannical as any and all leftists, only worse because they LIE with accusations of extreme moral depravity (wanting to legalize incest, pornography, child sex, gay sex in public places, etc. etc. etc.) about their own FRiends. Truly, they are wicked in what they do here, and they use the Lord's name in vain.
They are far, far creepier and despicable, with less honor and respect for human dignity, than the drug addicts they mistakenly consider their moral inferiors.
Threads like this show how and why any political party they are affiliated with becomes the STOOOPID party.
No you don't. You only *THINK* you do because you haven't kept up with the discussion. I repeatedly explain that I don't believe there is a coorelation between marijuana usage and mass murderers/serial killers, and that I am only posting those examples because I know it pisses off those people pushing drugs while screeching "FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!"
You just come into the conversation having missed my explanation as to why I keep pointing out the mass murderers who smoke pot, and you JUMP TO THE CONCLUSION that I am arguing a causal effect.
And then you compound your error by making "False Witness" accusations.
I believe that about sums it up.
That is my observation as well. The only "Freedom" he seems to believe in is the "Freedom" to get high.
This just about sums up most libertarians in my opinion. They claim they are interested in other "Freedoms" but they only ever seem to talk about weed and other drugs.
If you ever do get them onto another subject, it is usually about legalizing prostitution.
I wish I could remember the FReeper who posted this pearl of wisdom “ Libertarianism only works in a perfect world, inhabited by perfect people. “
Alas, we ain’t : )
... and they use the Lord's name in vain.
I apologize because that's false. I lied and humbly cop to it.
The truth is that I conclude that's what's behind it, because I know that these folks I'm angry at for lobbing accusations of depravity here, are fellow Christians and I assume that all the right-minded objections they have to drug addiction and the misery that follows, are rooted in Christian wisdom and values. God warns that there's pure misery in addiction, pornography, homosexuality, promiscuity, child sex, etc. Some are criminal acts because they harm defenseless innocents, some are just sorry sins, but MISERY is where they all lead.
The responsibility for dealing with temptation and sin lies with one individual: the Christian before God.
It seems to me that when folks here imply that resisting personal temptation requires the government to outlaw temptation [very like outlawing guns, same principle] -- that's what's logically proposed because it is purely a subjective matter of degree discriminating the severity of sin from alcohol from marijuana from tobacco from meth and wanton drug abuse from pornography and child/homosexual sex and many other such other depravities that you wickedly attribute to the motivation of good FReepers --
-- well, attempting such a coup over what seems to me to be much a matter of personal Christian responsibilities because you think people won't be Christian enough to do it on their own, insults and offends the very dignity of Christians and even the Lord. It second-guesses Him because it officially relieves the individual of his MORAL responsibility and invests it in the state.
The state stepping to assist God in dealing with sinners is wild vanity. God works Alone -- many of we recovered addicts know this. So what you propose and the way you go about it seems like using the Lord's name in vain. But it is MY OWN CONCLUSION, so I lied about you when I said you take the Lord's name in vain, and I apologize.
:^)
Attacking those who disagree shows that the attacker want and love their sins more than they love God. There is nothing less Christian than advocating drug use and other sins and vilifying those opposed to the sin.
Oh and telling people they can’t have an opinion because they are too poor is a petty and pathetic strategy. Trying to use religion to push for the legalization of perversion is not funny.
Low class and no class goatforkers dwell all over these threads.
Nobody here has done that.
OK, I see what you did there, you think your being cute and witty. I could give a rats ass if you are poor, but, spending all day and all night on FR and neglecting your family so you can play drug warrior is not a very good habit either. You see, your addiction is the computer and an internet forum. How much harm have you caused your family by not getting out and supporting them.
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