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ATF Ruling Vast Expansion of its Power
Gun Watch ^ | 7 January, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 01/08/2015 7:10:33 AM PST by marktwain

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The old bureoucracies are fighting a losing battle.
1 posted on 01/08/2015 7:10:33 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

This agency has gone far, far beyond its original charter. IIRC it was tariff based.


2 posted on 01/08/2015 7:12:28 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: marktwain

Good title - “power” not “authority”. ATF has no authority to interpret their regulations this way, it’s a power grab and has nothing to do with legitimate government authority.


3 posted on 01/08/2015 7:12:45 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: marktwain

Bureoucracies should be bureaucracies...


4 posted on 01/08/2015 7:13:20 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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Bureaucracies should be few and small in size and scope. :)


5 posted on 01/08/2015 7:19:48 AM PST by muglywump (Seven days without laughter makes one weak.)
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To: marktwain

Another example of the stealth government of bureaucracies inhabited by faceless bureaucrats, and an elected government abandoning their powers to them.


6 posted on 01/08/2015 7:22:46 AM PST by headstamp 2
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To: marktwain

It is long past time to repeal the NFA ‘34 and GCA ‘68 and the FOPA ‘86. Take the “F” out of their jurisdiction entirely.


7 posted on 01/08/2015 7:22:49 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Gaffer

Welcome to Obama’s America.


8 posted on 01/08/2015 7:23:06 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (The only people in the world who fear Obama are American citizens.)
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To: Pollster1

You are correct. They are illegally “making law.”


9 posted on 01/08/2015 7:24:43 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Pollster1

Government Bureaus, Agencies, Commissions, and other administrative bodies create their own rules and regulations and have always interpreted them at their whim.

Another example is the Federal Communications Commission at the ready to “hold” that the internet is a utility, and regulate it as such. Stand by for all kinds of rules, not to mention the accompanying new taxes and fees from local, state, and the Federal Government to come into being on monthly bills from providers. Its a control and tax bonanza flow of new cash from unwilling payers and reluctant internet provider tax collectors. Its a government dream scheme.

The only way that out of control agencies to be stopped ia through Court or Legislative action. Don’t hold your breath waiting for that.


10 posted on 01/08/2015 7:35:03 AM PST by Sasparilla
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To: marktwain

I wonder if this is a means kill the unfinished receiver market. Finishing can normally be done with very simple tools but in some cases not. Im not seeing how all this works but Im quite sure the ATF and pols in general don’t look happily on this as no records have to be kept and Im sure many many are sold every year.


11 posted on 01/08/2015 7:43:42 AM PST by 556x45
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Some rules are really bizarre. For instance, you can buy a US manufactured snub nosed revolver, no problem. However, a company like EAA sends the over with sights and shroud at 2”. Due to import regulations, the barrel is 4”. It’s crudely cut down to size upon arrival. Out of ammo and don’t have time to reload? No problem. The barrel crown and rim are both razor sharp.


12 posted on 01/08/2015 7:45:53 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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Yes, part of the stupid "sporting purposes" results from the 1968 law. "Sporting purposes" was part of the NAZI law that the 1968 law is a virtual copy of.

The language is a direct translation in many areas:

According to the comprehensive research by JPFO, all of America's present gun-control laws have Nazi origins, evidenced by the group's shocking accusation that the Gun Control Act of 1968 was plagiarized almost word for word from Nazi legislation. The German Weapons Law, which existed before the Nazis came to power in 1933, was amended on March 18, 1938, by the Nazi government. The JPFO's claim is based in part by the fact that the 1968 law introduces the "sporting purpose" test to distinguish different types of weapons, similar to the "sporting purpose" test that existed in the German law in question. Sen. Thomas Joseph Dodd (father to Sen. Chris Dodd) was a prosecutor at the Nuremberg Trials (1945-46) and had reviewed copies of the Nazi 1938 firearms law as the 1968 Gun Control Act legislation was being drafted.

13 posted on 01/08/2015 7:58:15 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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The old bureaucracies are fighting a losing battle.

Yep - they keep criminalizing more folks while thy're at it though.

14 posted on 01/08/2015 8:05:17 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: marktwain

They would not be “in the business of manufacturing firearms,” they would be “in the business of making machine tools available to the general public.” They perform a service, not manufacture a product. Suffice it to say I disagree with the BATFE’s position, it’s overreach.


15 posted on 01/08/2015 8:17:52 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: marktwain

If I rent out my drill press, I’m not under any obligation to scrutinize the customer’s work.


16 posted on 01/08/2015 8:21:51 AM PST by G Larry (Amnesty imposes SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL immigrants & minorities)
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Bump.


17 posted on 01/08/2015 8:29:47 AM PST by EternalVigilance ('To secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity.' It's ultimately what the Constitution is for.)
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To: marktwain

The article doesn’t mention the considerable cost of registering your shop with the atf. I own a manufacturing machine shop and when I investigated making parts for firearms it was reasonable pre Obama. After the “under the radar” reign it went upwards 10 times what it was. I never applied. Now, the ATF sends their little goons to “take a look around,” every year or so (they are rudely sent away) and they send undercover walk in goons to ask if they can rent my shop to complete receivers. More frightening is these Obamagencies are just seizing this power out of thin air.


18 posted on 01/08/2015 8:44:11 AM PST by Organic Panic
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It shows the “regulatory creep” especially in firearms law. When the law was passed in 1938, requiring a license to manufacture firearms for interstate commerce, the license cost $1. That would be about $50 in today’s dollars.

Now, a firearms manufacturing license costs a minimum of $150, and that is for a restrictive one.


19 posted on 01/08/2015 8:59:57 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: muglywump

Bureaucracies should be eliminated as unnecessary, at best, duplicitous and unconstitutional.

Fixed it for you (both :P)


20 posted on 01/08/2015 10:02:10 AM PST by i_robot73 (Give me one example and I will show where gov't is the root of the problem(s).)
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