[GraceG]

I agree with most all of Levin’s amendments, especially the term limit ones, will they pass, Probably not, but we need to do the Article V process even if it fails and is a tilting at windmills maneuver.

Why?

Because then it would be one of the last avenues to exhaust before we enter into state secession period which then may lead to either a cold breakup via Czechoslovakia or a hat war like the civil war...

If we don’t exhaust all avenues before states decide to start leaving we only legitimize the federal government claims to the states.

It would be like starting the American Revolution without the Declaration of independence and all of the other steps taken before the hot war broke out.

[demshateGod]

I agree, but that needs to be made explicit throughout the process. 1) as an ultimatum to the government, 2) as an enticement to people, like me, who KNOW whatever comes out of the process will be stopped by the strong arm of a tyrannical government.

Have I read the book? No, of course not. I have too many things to read and the concept is too fundamentally flawed for me to worry too much about the details.

[TomGuy]

state secession

State secession is not the answer because most states' larger cities have large populations of leftists/progressives.

The red states are not going to ban people from the blue states. Thus, over time, the leftists/progressives will increase in number and in influence and create new messes in the separated states.

Certainly, a state like Texas is not going to build a fence around Austin and require passports for anyone entering or leaving.