Posted on 12/05/2014 8:04:57 AM PST by KeyLargo
Yes, but you’re confusing the MSM with the truth. They want no part of that.
“Was a choke hold the only and proper resort at the time?”
Personally, I believe the best response would have been for the officers to ignore it and just look the other way as more and more officers are doing across this Country today for their own self-preservation.
I will protect myself and my family. Everyone else is on their own to choose to rely on their local government to protect them.
Police Have No Duty To Protect Individuals
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“I think Darren Wilson screwed up” Can you elaborate? |
All Cops Are Scum.
This common thought here at FR was suppressed a great deal as Ferguson played out. But now this Garner incident has given new voice to the libertarian mantra that cops are scum.
There was no chokehold
We had a case in Canada 2007. A large forty year old Polish entrant to Canada was tasered at the immigration offices in Vancouver. He had by an error left in a holding room for eight hours. The poor man went frantic, smashing furniture. Four police subdued him.
Turns out he had absolutely gone "cold turkey" from cigarettes and vodka. He wanted to be fit for a "new life" in Canada. Medical authorities said that two weeks of this set him up for a disaster. He should have tapered off. His system was thus very weak. It started a nation wide furore, of course. Excuse the ramble, but physical condition is the key in many cases. Just bad luck for the police here.
The writer is a liar, “”Frankly, I think everyone on the right is looking to prove “We’re not one of those sorts of people who automatically defends anyone who kills a black person.”””
Mark Steyn and me for instance are not interested in race in regards to this man’s death during a routine, daylight, petty crime arrest.
Once again, the law breaker made a stupid decision, which to me seems little different from the stupid decisions that occurred in the other two cases. I think we all regret the outcome, but I sure cannot blame the police. Imagine the landscape without them.”
The stupid mistake in all three cases was made long before the incidents happened. When people are raised to disrespect all authority, teachers, police, et cetera, they will likely not make the right decision at a crucial time which could end in losing their life.
The parents of all these young people should look to themselves and how they raised their sons and how they are raising any that are still under their influence.
Agree 100 percent. As I’ve said in other posts here, the black community has a problem and playing the “I’m-a-victim” card no longer holds sway. Throwing more of my money at it isn’t going to solve the problem, either, especially when those funds are just political giveaways, like free cell phones. Until there are positive moves from the black community to start cleaning up its own house and quit leaning on the victim crutch, I say enough’s enough. Start with piecing the black family together might be a first step and quit rewarding the families where the father skips out on his responsibilities.
Of course it doesn't. And the guy who took the video was just arrested for illegal possession of a weapon. He claims he's being targeted because of the video, but that doesn't explain his previous 27 arrests since 2009 on charges ranging from fare evasion and marijuana possession to a robbery in May. Also busted twice for gun possession, and in January 2013 he was charged with menacing with a gun.
“I’m amazed at all the supposed conservatives calling for the cop’s head. Maybe they’re trying to make up for Ferguson and get in good with the left. They should be blaming whatever government agency made it a crime to sell lose cigs”
The Role that Obama’s Runaway Bureaucracy Played in the Death of Eric Garner
December 3, 2014
Garner was reportedly selling “loosies,” individual cigarettes taken out of their original packaging. That’s a crime?
Yep. Since 2010, that’s a crime, sayeth the unaccountable bureaucrats at the Food and Drug Administration.
An FDA rule issued on June 22, 2010 — well within the Obama era, under a president who has unleashed bureaucracy on the entire country — mandates that individual cigarettes cannot be sold without their original packaging. You must not sell an unhealthy product that everyone knows is unhealthy unless it’s still in the polluting box that it originally came in.
If you sell cigarettes, you must comply with the following bullet points. Note the bold.
Check photo ID of everyone appearing under age 27 who attempts to purchase cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, or smokeless tobacco.
Only sell cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, and smokeless tobacco to anyone age 18 or older. **
Only sell cigarettes, cigarette tobacco, and smokeless tobacco in a direct, face-to-face exchange. ***
Do NOT break open cigarette or smokeless tobacco packages to sell products in smaller amounts.
Do NOT sell cigarette packages containing fewer than 20 cigarettes.
Do NOT sell single cigarettes, also called “loosies”.
Do NOT give away free samples of cigarettes.
Do NOT give away free samples of smokeless tobacco except from a “qualified adult-only facility.”
Do NOT sell flavored cigarettes or flavored cigarette tobacco (other than menthol).
* This is only a summary of the laws. For the full list of federal laws, visit: www.fda.gov/BreakTheChain.
Every cop has the latitude of discretion in whether to arrest or not and the cop just needs to articulate why he did or did not arrest in the incident report.
Bear that in mind when you think about the Eric Garner arrest.
It seems to me that nowadays, cops are too heavily invested in their ego’s to defer the arrest. They could have sought an arrest warrant, further bolstering their position if the guy stresses out so bad his heart gives out (like in the Garner case). Also, by the time the warrant is issued and they get around to arresting him, would Garner still be as agitated? Would he turn himself in knowing that he would likely be ROR’d or low-bailed with a court date? Either are quite likely.
There are *ALMOST ALWAYS* different options that still serve justice AND protect the public from these dangerous “illegal cigarette sales”.
There are situations that truly demand an escalation in the use of force. This Eric Garner arrest does not appear to be one of them.
I’ve worn it out, but I will keep saying it: We need fewer Barney Fife’s and more Andy Griffith’s.
He got into the kid’s face too quickly without having enough patience to get back-up and without the people skills and professionalism to keep the situation from getting out of hand. Once the confrontation began, where was the nightstick? Pepper spray? Mace? Taser? Any training he got in non-lethal force seems to have went out the window.
The blaring of the “get out of the street” over the car speaker system identifies Wilson as a cop that is really in love with the power a badge gives him. I know the species and they really need to be in another line of work. Glad he retired personally. Expect to see him at a mall, being a complete a-hole to your teenage kids next.
Not all.
Too many.
Big difference.
And there is a system in place that let’s these blue line specials keep rolling along. So tell me, do you really want Lon Horiuchi showing up in your town if one of your friends goes off the deep end and barricades himself in his own home with one of your kids there?
Brown and his bud were walking down the street.
What should he have done? Blown the horn? Yell out the window?
He had something few ordinary folks do--a PA system and he used it to tell them to get out of the street (rather than wind down the window and just yell).
I just don't see where that translates into someone who is power mad.
YMMV
If you can’t recognize the intimidation factor in an amplified voice blaring at you, I am not sure what I can say to you. There is really no way to sound reasonable and professional with your voice blaring through a PA. That interaction started from a “I have the power and you will dammed well OBEY IT PEON!” basis and went downhill from there. And you also seem to have ignored my original point of Brown being an idiot—which he was.
>>>>>That should solve the concerns of many on the Left and Right that believe the police are paid murderers.<<<<<
Maybe for some of the ignorant, but for me, it will just mean that the percentage of cops that really get off on having the power will now ALL be drawing a federal paycheck and not a local one.
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