It also gives us evidence from the smaller point that Obamacare was shoved down the throats of the American people like we're a bunch of obstinate children who don't know the medicine is good for them.
It was on Fox News this morning, so I doubt the cover up is working.
How does chief roberts sleep at night? traitor
Oh, and by the way, MIT needs to be strongly pinged about employing a “disreputable” professor that “tarnishes” their reputation. Even though they likely hired him because he was disreputable, and they don’t particularly care about their reputation.
Snopes, Factcheck or any other Dem-backed subversion group notwithstanding, the time and place of the words spoken is immaterial. The mere existence of the words, from whom they were spoken IN or OUT of CONTEXT are damning. They are proof of intentional deceit and collusion.
And this ObamaCare architect’s statements should be submitted to the Supreme Court that ObamaCare costs were intentionally not defined as taxes as Justice Roberts maintained.
His words, plus all the other arbitrary and intentional administration manipulations of legal requirements, are more than enough to invalidate the law - EVERY WORD OF IT.
“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure (the Congressional Budget Office) did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. OK? So it’s written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit that healthy people pay in and sick people get money – it would not have passed. … Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically, that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass. … Look, I wish (health economist) Mark (Pauly) was right (that) we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.”
Obamacare architecht Jonathan Gruber
I can’t tell everyone here how mad I was listening to then watching this video. This little “Imp” is a prime example of the infestation of our lives by non elected ideologues. Lois Lerner is another prime example, but there are others within our schools and universities...on radio and tv and in other places of influence.
This one takes the cake....AND NOT ONE... NOT ONE DEMOCRAT... NOT EVEN HILLARY CLINTON? NO ONE TO STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE....NO GUTS?
Anyone actually believe that the people of this country are NOT going to rise up against this? Never again should we elect people who betray, lie, mislead or corrupt us.
To all of you FReepers who kept posting that photo of Romney as a sleazy used car salesman, my apologies. I get it.
This guy designed Romneycare too. Apparently Mitt agreed with the scam.
It pretty much is what it is, most people are going to want to see the clip, which in true internet fashion is all over the place. When they do the can look at the polls that have tracked the opinion of the American people on this even if they don’t remember the high-handed treatment by the House under majority leader Pelosi and the subsequent electoral wipe out (which they will remember I think). This MIT smarty-pants owes everyone an apology. He’s casting aspersions on us, after having made a bad call professionally.
Gruber is nothing more than a slimy political hack of which there is no shortage these days.
It is the VOTERS who bear final responsibility. Elections have consequences.
What were the voters thinking back in 2008 when they elected BHO POTUS along with huge Dem majorities in both houses of Congress?
National healthcare has been a part of the Democrat Party platform since the 1940s.
Univ. of Penn and Gruber support LYING.
Lie to Americans. Lie to Congress.
LIE LIE LIE.
Searched “Jonathan Gruber” on Bing, this was first entry: Watch Obamacare Architect Jonathan Gruber Explain Why “Lack of Transparency” Was Key to Passing the Health Care Law
http://reason.com/blog/2014/11/10/watch-obamacare-architect-jonathan-grube
Old news. Didn’t I see his remarks posted here over a year ago? There’s not too many here that didn’t know Obama care was a scam from the get-go. This video also supports Roberts contention that the mandates were, in fact, a tax. Didn’t this video and remarks come out after the ruling explaining Roberts decision?
Whatever. I’m happy it came back to light. The Sheeple need to be reminded what their Overlords are doing. Not behind their back. To their faces. Hopefully it will have an effect on a few. Maybe it already did. See the mid-terms.
And no, I didn’t watch the video. I’m going off memory. Pisses me off too much to watch that weasel. Again.
One little google search and all kinds of quotes from Mr. Gruber pop up. All this was out in 2011 and 2012 and 2013. Why oh why didn’t the MSM and the Rino’s jump on it? (rhetorical) Some of the best quotes: “They’re the same f***ing bill. He [Romney] just can’t have his cake and eat it too,” Gruber said. “He can try to draw distinctions and stuff, but he’s just lying. The only big difference is he didn’t have to pay for his. Because the federal government paid for it. Where at the federal level, we have to pay for it, so we have to raise taxes.” (Gruber is a Dem) Gruber also expressed frustration that the Supreme Court might decide the fate of health care on “political grounds.” “It’s very disturbing,” he said. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/16/obama-health-care-law-mitt-romney-jonathan-gruber_n_1098036.html About four million will be asked to pay more. They’re just sort of healthy people who are going to have to pay more. The “genetic winners” comment was sort of loosey goosey…The point is that a lot of people who are healthier have benefited from existing discrimination in the market. http://www.nationalmemo.com/romneycareobamacare-architect-jonathan-gruber-blasts-disgusting-refusal-to-expand-medicaid/ (He had this to say about Romney to PBS.) You know, I was very impressed. I came out of that meeting. I went home and told my wife and said: “As a Democrat, I’m very scared. This guy could be president.” He was really very smart, well-spoken, and just really seemed to know his stuff and was very impressive in person. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/choice-2012/the-frontline-interview-jonathan-gruber/ 2012 article from Forbes, which the author says that the 3:1 ration of cost (older can’t be charged more than 3 times a lowest cost) was a FAVOR from the DEMS to AARP. www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2012/03/22/how-obamacare-dramatically-increases-the-co]st-of-insurance-for-young-workers/ This guy laments the “unelected Judges” one or two, having an effect on the Healthcare of everyone, and there Gruber is, but apparently is “too smart” to realize that HE is that unelected person. This guy was doing a study in Oregon with medicaid being assigned on a LOTTERY system which he claims, “improved mental health”. He says he regrets not being more upfront about his involvement with the administration. But he does not apologize for publicly advocating the legislation, and continuing to do so — including through a comic book he wrote to explain the law. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/29/business/jonathan-gruber-health-cares-mr-mandate.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&;
http://www.amazon.com/Health-Care-Reform-Necessary-Works/dp/B00B9ZCCN8
Evidence: If you want to see what’s in the bill you have to vote for it.
Prof Gruber
“You know, it is so rare that we have a bold idea we can run the experiment on, right? We actually ran the experiment on a theoretical concept. We ivory-tower types come up with concepts like this all the time. Here’s one we came up with that we tested, and it worked...”
Mr. Gruber, it FAILED.
How anyone can take any MIT economist at face value from now on will be ... problematic ...
(thanking providence that I did not attend MIT)
Here is his Harvard PhD thesis.
“Empirical analysis
of two data sets suggest that changes in employers’ costs of
workers’ compensation insurance are largely shifted to employees in the form of lower wages. In addition, higher insurance costs are found to have a negative but statistically insignificant effect on employment.”
Conclusion
“This paper has analyzed the impact of cost shifting in response to increases in mandated workers’ compensation insurance costs. The results suggest that a substantial portion of the cost to employers of providing workers’ compensation benefits are shifted to employees in the form of lower wages....”
“...The adverse employment effects of mandated health
insurance may well be larger than those in workers’
compensation insurance because the minimum wage is likely to be more of a constraint for uninsured
workers,...”
http://www.nber.org/papers/w3557.pdf