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Are Redskins Ashamed of Their Complexion?
Lawrence Journal World ^ | August 24, 2014 | Reasonmclucus

Posted on 08/25/2014 11:05:02 PM PDT by kathsua

I'm attempting to understand why some of the descendants of the people Christopher Columbus called "Indians" say they are ashamed to be called "redskins".

The only explanation I can think of is they are ashamed that they are not white or perhaps they are simply ashamed of their heritage.

In the 1950's many black Americans were ashamed of their color. They tried to bleach their skin and straighten their hair to look more like white people. In the early sixties someone discovered a statement abolitionist John Sweat Rock had made a century earlier. Rock said, "black is beautiful". Many black Americans recognized that Rock was correct.

Black is just as beautiful as white and so is red. Many white Americans think the complexion of the Navajo, Cherokee etc. is so much better than theirs that they are willing to bake themselves in the sun for hours to get their complexion the same color the Navajo and Cherokee are born with. So why would those who are born with such a desirable complexion be ashamed?

Over 200 years ago leaders of the Piankeshaw, Osage, Santee Sioux and Meskwaki nations referred to themselves as "redskins". The great Shawnee nation leader Tecumseh in his speech to the Osage nation in 1811 used the terms "red men" and "red children [of the Great Spirit]". If the original redskins found the term acceptable, why don't today's redskins? Do today's redskins think they are unworthy of the name used by their ancestors?

If people have a negative view of an ethnic group any word used to describe members of the group will be negative. In 1850, one of the worst things you could call someone was "Irish". In northern states they ranked below blacks. On southern docks they were given jobs too dangerous to risk the lives of slaves on

There were numerous slurs for the Irish. For example, blacks often called the Irish "white [n-word]s". Urban whites used the term "green [ n-word]" However, people didn't need to use a slur for the Irish because of the negative attitudes people had about the Irish. This attitude was most commonly shown in "Help Wanted" signs that included the phrase "no Irish need apply".

Incidentally, centuries before Andrew Jackson moved the Cherokee to Oklahoma, the English moved much of the Irish population from Ireland to North America and the West Indies.

The words "redskin" and "Irish" don't have any inherently negative implications as is the case with the n-word and the word "native". Using the word "redskins" provides a unique one word name for the peoples of the various North American nations .

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I'm attempting to understand why some of the descendants of the people Christopher Columbus called "Indians" say they are ashamed to be called "redskins".

The only explanation I can think of is they are ashamed that they are not white or perhaps they are simply ashamed of their heritage.

In the 1950's many black Americans were ashamed of their color. They tried to bleach their skin and straighten their hair to look more like white people. In the early sixties someone discovered a statement abolitionist John Sweat Rock had made a century earlier. Rock said, "black is beautiful". Many black Americans recognized that Rock was correct.

Black is just as beautiful as white and so is red. Many white Americans think the complexion of the Navajo, Cherokee etc. is so much better than theirs that they are willing to bake themselves in the sun for hours to get their complexion the same color the Navajo and Cherokee are born with. So why would those who are born with such a desirable complexion be ashamed?

Over 200 years ago leaders of the Piankeshaw, Osage, Santee Sioux and Meskwaki nations referred to themselves as "redskins". The great Shawnee nation leader Tecumseh in his speech to the Osage nation in 1811 used the terms "red men" and "red children [of the Great Spirit]". If the original redskins found the term acceptable, why don't today's redskins? Do today's redskins think they are unworthy of the name used by their ancestors?

If people have a negative view of an ethnic group any word used to describe members of the group will be negative. In 1850, one of the worst things you could call someone was "Irish". In northern states they ranked below blacks. On southern docks they were given jobs too dangerous to risk the lives of slaves on

There were numerous slurs for the Irish. For example, blacks often called the Irish "white [n-word]s". Urban whites used the term "green [ n-word]" However, people didn't need to use a slur for the Irish because of the negative attitudes people had about the Irish. This attitude was most commonly shown in "Help Wanted" signs that included the phrase "no Irish need apply".

Incidentally, centuries before Andrew Jackson moved the Cherokee to Oklahoma, the English moved much of the Irish population from Ireland to North America and the West Indies.

The words "redskin" and "Irish" don't have any inherently negative implications as is the case with the n-word and the word "native". Using the word "redskins" provides a unique one word name for the peoples of the various North American nations .

Using color to distinguish one group of Americans from another implies the differences between them are only cosmetic and members of one group are not inherently better than members of the other group.

Using the word "Indian" for redskins requires adding the adjective "American" to distinguish them from the residents of India.

Using the word "native" requires adding the word "American" to distinguish them from all the different groups of peoples around the world called "native". In old movies and television shows the term "native" was used for unnamed primitive original residents of the areas white people were visiting or had taken over. The castaways on the "Gilligan's Island" television show were occasionally visited by "natives" from other islands.

The Irish didn't let slurs and mistreatment keep them down. They persevered and made "Irish" a respected name.

In 1968, James Brown released his most important song "Say it Loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud". It became the theme song for the black power movement.

Redskins need to take similar pride in their complexions. They need to tell everyone they are proud their skin is "red".

The old leaders who called themselves "redskins" stood up to the white man. Native Americans take orders from whites.

Redskins were free and independent people. Native Americans often live on reservations overseen by the government.

The leaders who called themselves "redskins" were self reliant and self confident. Native Americans often appear to lack self confidence.


TOPICS: History; Society; Sports; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: blackbeautiful; irish; racism; redskins
The author fails to point out that the redskins lack confidence because the federal government has been taking care of them by treating them like children. The situation demonstrates the dangers of paternalistic government programs.
1 posted on 08/25/2014 11:05:04 PM PDT by kathsua
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To: kathsua

Blacks should be proud, and not play the victims. They beat slavery, and segregation. But they sit around and play victim, which allows them to get away with a disgusting celebrity culture in society.


2 posted on 08/25/2014 11:08:18 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: kathsua
If the original redskins found the term acceptable, why don't today's redskins?

The fact is that most of today's redskins don't have a problem with the term "redskins." It's the PC zealots/leftists that have promulgated the myth that the majority of Indians object to it.

3 posted on 08/25/2014 11:14:55 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: kathsua
Are Redskins Ashamed of Their Complexion?

Apparently most Indians have no problem with the NFL team calling itself "Redskins" - that's obviously a manufactured controversy and the Skins should keep their name. But I'd guess that some Indians would have a problem with you calling them redskins to their face, in much the same way that people wearing glasses might object to being called "four-eyes" to their face, or bald people might object to being called "chrome-dome" to their face.

Has nothing to do with being ashamed - rather, they know perfectly well that people who use some descriptive term of a physical characteristic to refer to them directly are looking to offend them, whereas someone who didn't want to offend them would probably just refer to them as "Sir" or "Ma'am" or even "Hey, you there".
4 posted on 08/25/2014 11:51:28 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: kathsua

The next time you hear some Politically Correct dimwit spouting on about the Redskins ask him if Oklahoma has to change its name too:

In 1907 Oklahoma was admitted as the 46th State in the Union. Before that it was Indian Territory.

The name ‘Oklahoma’ was chosen by a Choctaw Indian chief; the name was created from two Choctaw words meaning “red people”.


5 posted on 08/26/2014 12:07:49 AM PDT by Pelham (California, what happens when you won't deport illegals)
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To: kathsua

For liberals, why is it offensive to call someone a “redskin,” but perfectly fine to call them a “redneck”?


6 posted on 08/26/2014 12:19:44 AM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: kathsua

"They darker than us! Woof!"

7 posted on 08/26/2014 12:20:43 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: kathsua

It just occurred to me that Lefties think that a football team would call themselves a racial slur...doesn’t make sense if one thinks about it. Team names are fearsome and strong which Native Americans warriors were until they were defeated in war.


8 posted on 08/26/2014 12:39:38 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: kathsua

Wait, this appeared in the Lawrence paper?!

Excuse me while I check the forecast for Hell.


9 posted on 08/26/2014 3:10:55 AM PDT by Crazieman (Are you naive enough to think VOTING will fix this entrenched system?)
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“....black Americans.......ashamed of their color”?

Not sure I go along with that, why then is an exclusive magazine (ebony) dedicated to strictly black people, or having their very own TV Network, NBC the "National Black Channel? There are lots of things blacks should be proud of, like making good BBQ for example. (Now that's something we can all be proud of. Don't forget, Labor Day is coming and what could be better than BBQ Ribs?)

10 posted on 08/26/2014 4:20:47 AM PDT by DaveA37
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