The sins/mistakes of men is not a reason to leave/stay away from the Church. (Or even to join it). Just to say, for your benefit.
The only reason to come or stay is because one is convinced Jesus is present. Because men will always disappoint, no matter where one goes.
It’s never been the promise of the Church to say her leadership wouldn’t disappoint. After all, they can’t fulfill our infinite desire since they aren’t Christ, thus they will always disappoint if we expect them to fulfill the desire for Christ only He can satisfy.
The only promise they keep is that they, as a body (not as individuals) would never teach, corporately and cooperatively, error on faith or morals. Not politics.
Daniel I thought you might find this interesting given our previous chat on the subject of authority and infallibility.
If what Catholics call "sacraments" were actually a gift...
...then the leadership, the people who partake in the sacraments the most...
...would show some indication of additional wisdom, of additional love, of basic "signs" that a gift has been imparted to them.
Instead, what we see is just the opposite: those that partake in it the most, that pursue Catholicism with, well, "religious fervor" - the leadership - are the ones pushing for all this sin, and most insultingly, are trying to do it using the good name of Christ.
Supporting murder (through extensive outright support of abortion-loving politicians) - check.
Supporting theft and covetousness - through outright calls for socialism - BY THE POPE - check.
Support of false idols - through support (here in the Bay Area) of yoga as a "Catholic practice" - check.
(And yes, although Mary is the mother of Christianity, many, with the Church's support - go way overboard with adoring her, rather than just honoring her.)
Support of lying outright, by being two-faced when questioned why they do the above - check.
Support for foreign invasion, and for making fellow Americans unemployed, through support for amnesty and more H1B visas - check.
Support for tyranny through taking away basic rights of self-defense - check.
On and on and on.
There are things about Catholicism I miss, but the fruits of it are poison, absolute poison. What they say about the sacraments CANNOT be true. Love Christ, not Catholicism!
It’s never been the promise of the Church to say her leadership wouldn’t disappoint....
But the doctrine of infallibility assures men will not disappoint under certain conditions. The problem is that this formulaic assured infallibility is neither taught nor required in Scripture. But you believe it, based upon the premise of the assured veracity of Rome.
For Rome has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.
The only promise they keep is that they, as a body (not as individuals) would never teach, corporately and cooperatively, error on faith or morals.
No, Rome does indeed promise individuals would never teach, corporately and cooperatively, error on faith or morals, that being the pope under the said conditions. Yet which is not what Scripture teaches, but which is extrapolated based upon false premises referred to in my last post to you.
You can posit all you want, but this isn’t the only time it’s leadership has “disappointed.”