Posted on 04/23/2014 4:35:12 AM PDT by JOHN W K
SEE: Tea Party Patriots Use Elections to Push 'Flat' or 'Fair' Tax
Monday, 14 Apr 2014 06:05 PM
The Tea Party Patriots are pushing a "flat tax" or a "fair tax" rate in the coming elections to stop the endless hiking of taxes on Americans, group President Jenny Beth Martin says.
"A flat tax, a fair tax — either one is better than what we have now," Martin told Ed Berliner and Diane Dimond, guests hosts of "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.
"The tax code has grown and grown and grown. It's time to address the fact that we have a problem and it needs to be solved.
"Either solution is better than where we are now. It just needs to be fixed so it can't grow so far out of control again," she said Monday.
When Jenny says “either solution is better than where we are now”, we must keep in mind a flat tax calculated from incomes, even if “flat”, does absolutely nothing to remove the iron fist of our federal government from the necks of America’s hard working productive citizens and business owners. Does a flat tax end our despotic federal government from arbitrarily deciding what is and what is not taxable income? No! Does it end our Washington Establishment’s use of taxation to intentionally seek out America’s productive hard working citizens and transfer the bread they have earned to a dependent voting block who prostitutes their vote for free government cheese? No! How about the devastating and slavish manipulations carried out under this socialist tax calculated from incomes? Does a flat tax end that? No! Or, would a flat tax end taxation being used as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes while rewarding the friends of a tyrannical bloated federal government? Heck No! So why are some comfortable with saying a flat tax is better than what we now have?
In regard to Jenny’s support for a ”fair tax”, there was no explanation what she means by this, but if she is supporting the “fairtax” [H.R. 25] she would then be promoting the creation of two new taxes: a 23 percent tax levied upon articles of consumption and another 23 percent tax upon the sale of labor while keeping alive Congress’ existing power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes.
Jenny Martin also supports H.J.RES.104 which is sold to the unsuspecting as a way to repeal the 16th Amendment and end Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from incomes. But true patriots who are familiar with our nation’s tax history know repealing the 16th Amendment would not end Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes as was done prior to the adoption of the Amendment and upheld by our Supreme Court. In any event, H.J.RES. 104 appears to be a clever scheme cooked up by Washington Establishment insiders to get Tea Party Activists to waste time and resources in a cause which will not withdraw Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from “incomes”. If H.J.RES. 104 were really intended to withdraw the power to lay and collect taxes calculated from "incomes" it would then be worded far different, for example:
House/Senate Joint Resolution
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment and end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes”.
Section 1: The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.
Section 2: Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.
Section 3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by three fourths of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress.
The leadership of Tea Party Patriots seem to be well meaning in that they express their VISION as follows:
”Tea Party Patriots stands for every American, and is home to millions who have come together to pursue the American Dream and to keep that Dream alive for their children and grandchildren.
What unites the tea party movement is the same set of core principles that brought America together at its founding, that kindled the American Dream in the hearts of those who struggled to build our nation, and made the United States of America the greatest, most successful country in world history.
At its root the American Dream is about freedom. Freedom to work hard and the freedom to keep the fruits of your labor to use as you see fit without harming others and without hindering their freedom. Very simply, three guiding principles give rise to the freedom necessary to pursue and live the American Dream…”
What is so disappointing about Jenny Beth Martin, especially because she is a leader of Tea Party Patriots, she seems to ignore the “principles” our Founding Fathers had in mind when delegating specific powers of taxation to Congress and do not change with the passage of time, and were intentionally designed to control the actions of Congress in such a way as to allow the American People to pursue their own happiness. Instead of working to reestablish our constitution’s original tax plan, as it was intended to operate by our Founders, and especially its rule of apportionment, Jenny embraces clever “tax reforms” cooked up by the Washington Establishment which are designed to fool the people and if adopted, would keep the tools of despotic taxation in the hands of those who have used it to control, regulate and enslave a nation’s entire population!
With reference to the rule of apportionment being applied to taxation, our Founders intended Congress to fund its functions from imposts, duties and internal excise taxes on selected articles of consumption which allows the market place to determine the limit of tax on each article selected for taxation. But if an emergency developed and there was ever a need to enter the states and tax the people directly, the rule of apportionment would be applied so that each State’s share of a total sum being raised would be proportionately equal to its representation in Congress, i.e., representation with a proportional financial obligation, or, one man one vote and one vote one dollar. So, when Jenny speaks of a “fair tax” is she speaking of our Constitution’s fair share formula for any tax which is levied directly upon the people, or, does Jenny have something else in mind, and would it be in harmony with the brilliance and wisdom of our Founder’s original tax plan and its rule of apportionment?
JWK
“With regard to the general government imposing internal taxes upon us, he contended that it was absolutely necessary they should have such a power: requisitions had been in vain tried every year since the ratification of the old Confederation, and not a single state had paid the quota required of her. The general government could not abuse this power, and favor one state and oppress another, as each state was to be taxed only in proportion to its representation.” 4 Elliot‘s, S.C., 305-6 Pinckney, addressing the S.C. ratification convention with regard to the rule of apportionment.
I support either the fair tax (preferable) or fair tax. I do this because it gets us closer to the foundational principle of taxation, not because either plan is perfect. Something that constitutionalists and conservatives seem to miss is that virtually all of the “progressive” agenda was implemented via incrementalism. We need to fight it the same way.
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JWK
If the America People do not rise up and defend their existing Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, who is left to do so but the very people it was designed to control and regulate?
What people do not understand that the 16th amendment in essence made your income the property of the Government. That is why your prove your income to the government, self incrimination does not apply, due process is severely abridged and equal protection under the 14th amendment does not apply to tax laws.
Our Federal Government is lawless as evidenced by the Bundy Ranch Raid. How can it be that our Government now thinks that due process and the rule of law does not apply to it? IMHO, the IRS practices have crept into the thinking of all Federal Agencies.
JWK
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Getting us back to where we need to be will requires a series of steps. Bitching that we can't leap to the end is counterproductive. Progressives didn't pervert our constitution in one step, it's foolish to think we can fix it in one step.
Fair Tax or Flat Tax,
We all end up poor.
We deny that we have,
What all can see:
We are spending beyond our means!
As National Pooring continues,
And decay sets in,
Our Debt Funding will stop,
For the Permanent Welfare Debt Bin.
So what do we do?
Says I to you,
Keep paying ourselves Welfare,
And not pay the Debt?
With no Welfare checks,
Comes the pain of withdrawl,
Oh! What shall we do?
With no Social Security, Medicare and such,
The pain will be awful,
Just awful I say!
With the present system of Debt Funded Welfare,
And true governing costs,
We must end Welfare to ourselves,
Or all will be lost.
Taxing and funding is fine as it is,
The problem is the narcotic of Welfare,
That has almost done us in - - - - .
So ask yourself,
Can you get by,
With current high taxes,
And no Mailbox Eagle flying by?
Why have you posted that?
My suggestion to those who want real tax reform, which would include withdrawing Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes, is to study how the 18th Amendment got adopted and how the people rose to the occasion to have it repealed. The following photos tell the tail! CLICK HERE
The future of America does rest in the hands of the American People and this coming election play an important part in beginning the process of taking back our governments from those who use its force to enslave the American people!
Regards,
JWK
If we can make 51 percent of America’s population dependent upon an Obama, welfare, food stamp, section 8 housing, college loan check, and now free Obamacare along with FREE BACON, we can blackmail them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ____ Obama’s Marxist Free Cheese Party, which is designed to establish a federal dictatorship and redistribute the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create.
Where I draw the line is moderates who simply want to slow the slide off the progressive cliff. It doesn't have to be a leap away from the edge, a small step away is fine, but no step towards it no matter how tiny.
JWK
Reaching across the aisle and bipartisanship is Washington Newspeak to subvert the Constitution and screw the American People.
Jenny Beth is a GOP consultant (like others who started these spinoff groups in 2009) and her group is not even a legit tea party.. formed to MAKE MONEY off our good name... the originals of 2007, especially in Cow Hampshire, want nothing to do with these consultants pushing for Con Cons and other stuff with the liberals at Harvard.
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