Alexander Hamilton on impeachment

Facebook ^ | March 7, 2014 | Tara Ross

[gitmo]

Seems appropriate for modern days

[Loud Mime]

ping

[cripplecreek]

Unfortunately, passage of the 17th Amendment has undermined this aspect of Publius’s argument. The Senators no longer represent the States; they are direct representatives of the people (just as the House is).

The biggest problem with the 17th amendment is the fact that senators are elected by popular vote. If they were elected on an electoral type of system by house districts won I think things would look very different.

[Publius]

Interesting reflections on impeachment and the 17th Amendment.

[ConorMacNessa]

The passage of the 17th Amendment had a profound effect, far beyond the intent of its advocates, IMHO. I pose the question, would Baker v. Carr have been decided the same way if the Senate had not become popularly elected?



"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Senators are meant to represent their state legislatures.

That's who they should be elected by.

[Norm Lenhart]

So were his comments about having an enemy opposing you instead of in your camp for which we were responsible...but people were not too interested in hearing that and demanded we elect ‘lesser evils’.

[cripplecreek]

Good luck getting the people to accept that again. From what I can see, most state legislatures would happily inflict 100 McCains on us if they could.

[ConorMacNessa]

“You may think I am talking about electing a Republican. I am not,” Mr. Paul said. “I am talking about electing lovers of liberty. It isn’t good enough to pick the lesser of two evils. We must elect men and women of principle, and conviction and action that will lead us back to greatness.”

Rand Paul today at CPAC. All the guys and gals with any guts and ideas are in or with the Tea Party, as am I.

Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Rick Perry, Allan West, Sarah Palin - an embarrassment of riches on the Right.



"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

[Norm Lenhart]

” It isn’t good enough to pick the lesser of two evils. We must elect men and women of principle, and conviction and action that will lead us back to greatness.”

Oh absolutely. I totally agree. Now Rand, lets talk about your ‘principles’ concerning illegals and amnesty.

[suijuris]

The biggest problem with the 17th amendment is the fact that senators are elected by popular vote. If they were elected on an electoral type of system by house districts won I think things would look very different.

The 17th Amendment resulted in the US senators becoming whores. Most receive the majority of their campaign donations from outside their home state. The last time I looked into this was in the 1990s senator Voinovich was number one in in out-of-state campaign donations and John McCain was number 2. I would like to see the stats now. No doubt McCain is still near the top of the list. The last 40 years have proven that your average dumb ass voter is easily swayed by massive campaign bombardment of lies and bullshit. Partly explains why Arizona keeps re-electing the rabid SOB.

[Norm Lenhart]

Long time Zonie here. McCain keeps getting elected because of Illegals and being Californicated. Those are the top two reasons.

[ConorMacNessa]

I endorse the part of his message that I posted. I insist on a candidate who will secure the border and preserve the sovereignty of this great Nation and will not support a candidate who will not do so.



"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

[Norm Lenhart]

I wasn’t directing any assumptions at you personally and should have made that clear.

As for Rand, he says exactly what a lot of us have been for some time now and getting royally reamed for. But he cannot be trusted. He supports amnesty and Mitch. nothing more need to be said regarding his ‘principles’. They are self evident.

[ConorMacNessa]

Nothing taken personally here, FRiend. I'm not on anyone's bandwagon at this point. I'm partial to Allan West, who has stood for us in battle and has, IMO, the right ideas.

I'm not ready to embrace Rubio - amnesty, despite his eloquent speech the other day.



"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

[Jacquerie]

Thanks.

The process as designed is certainly flawed, but there is no better.

[Loud Mime]

Actually, the process isn’t flawed; it’s the management who refuses to follow the process that damages the entire system.

[M Kehoe]

Good morning. I hope you are doing well.

Thanks for the ping.

I've stated numerous times on FR that the two worst amendments to the Constitution were the 16th and 17th amendments.

5.56mm

[Vaquero]

the republican majority in the house is too cowardly to impeach a _resident of color.

a BJ (or lying about one) seems was a bigger crime than the plethora of high crimes this Kenyan/Indonesian POSOTUS has committed.

We need to take this country back or take back the parts that value the constitution and leave the rest to their performance of Sodom and Gomorrah.

[Bigun]

I believe that you have correctly and succinctly stated the facts of the matter.