Lincoln and Obama: Two Tyrants

Off Grid Blog ^ | February 23, 2014 | Off Grid Blogger

[grumpa]

Few people understand how lawless Abraham Lincoln was in propagating our country’s biggest nightmare—the Civil War. And not enough people sense the parallel of Obama’s emerging lawlessness.

Lincoln achieved his political aims by bullying—rather than effective, innovative solutions and negotiations. Here are some facts:

• Lincoln closed more than 300 newspapers that disagreed with him.

• He arrested members of state legislatures, preventing them from debating the secession issue.

• He ordered military trials for citizens when civilian courts were available. Many of these trials resulted in hangings.

• Operating as a military dictator, Lincoln spent millions not authorized by the Congress.

• He suspended the writ of habeas corpus, a law that prevents people from being imprisoned without due process. This suspension, along with the military tribunals, resulted in the imprisonment of 14,000 war opponents illegally. (For comparison, Mussolini is reported to have jailed around 2,000 people.)

• When Chief Justice Roger Brooke Taney ruled Lincoln’s suspension of the writ unconstitutional, amazingly, Lincoln ordered Taney arrested! But the United States Marshal’s office refused to make the arrest without a valid arrest warrant. However, due to the political situation at the time, the writ was never officially restored until Andrew Johnson’s tenure.

• The cruelty of the Northern generals Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan was authorized by Lincoln. The wanton cruelty toward civilian life and property made Lincoln clearly guilty of war crimes.

• His dishonorable prosecution of the war is responsible for the failure to re-assimilate the South after the war, and left bitterness for a hundred years. The Ku Klux Klan is certainly a result of this bitterness.

• Lincoln signed the order approving the hanging of 39 Sioux Indians, for dubious reasons. This was the only mass hanging in American history.

• Lincoln was a liar, changing his message to suit the audience and his political objectives.

This is all presented in an amazing book by Charles Adams entitled, When in the Course of Human Events. Adams concludes, as any reasonable man would, that Lincoln should have been impeached. The war would thus have not progressed to its devastating conclusion. And slavery, which was clearly on its way out anyway, would have ended without the loss of 630,000 American lives.

So, how is this relevant today? Is it not ironic that a black president is potentially taking us down a path of a constitutional crisis not seen since Lincoln? History never repeats itself exactly. But the parallels should be apparent to anyone willing to see them.

[DoodleDawg]

If Sarah was president, we wouldn’t need to divide the country. But she isn’t.

Why do you think that? Just curious?

[central_va]

There are legitimate reasons to criticize Lincoln but people who equate him with Obama are unworthy of wasting my time dealing with.

And yet by making a post on this thread you contradict yourself.

[central_va]

Lincoln wanted to save the Union.

Interesting method to save something with double cannister and minie balls.....Anymore "saving" and there wouldn't have been anything left below the Mason Dixon.

[ilovesarah2012]

Because she would follow the Constitution and not pit groups of people against each other.

That’s my short, no coffee yet, answer.

[central_va]

As a southerner I say O Hallelujah, we be saved by Massa Lincoln. Saved to be in a socialist country that is. That lanky butcher rots in hell..

[central_va]

No one was killed in the bombardment of Fort Sumpter.

I believe a mule was killed in the bombardment.

[gusopol3]

Congratulations, you worked hard to be born white and you made it.

[central_va]

He loved the concepts of the Founding Fathers

The founding fathers, if alive during the Civl War, would have spit in that piece of crap's face. Are you kidding me?

[central_va]

It's easy to criticize Lincoln. The thing of it is, is Lincoln thought the United States should continue, and he was under siege. He had a vision of the future that included the United States.

the Civil War was not threat to the USA. The CSA wanted sepration. The USA continued then albeit a little smaller. So drop the BS 3rd grade propaganda.

[central_va]

Davis/Lee/Stephens/Toombs and the rest of the Confederate cabinet should have been hanging from the gallows for their acts of treason. All other southern collaborators should have been shot at the conclusion of the war, the bullet used charged to their families.

This is what President Eisenhowere said about Robert E. Lee in response to a letter sent to him by a kook like you:

August 9, 1960

Dear Dr. Scott:

Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War Between the States the issue of Secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee's caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the nation's wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.

Sincerely,

Dwight D. Eisenhower

[DoodleDawg]

Because she would follow the Constitution and not pit groups of people against each other.

Her presence in office would pit groups of people against each other. The country is polarized. The idea that Sarah Palin, or any other candidate from either party, could end the split and bring the country together is fantasy.

[ilovesarah2012]

Then let’s go ahead and do the inevitable - split the country now and get it over with.

[central_va]

congratulations, you worked hard to be born white and you made it.

Racist comment.

[cripplecreek]

Lee was a man worthy of respect in my opinion. Its too bad that all these years later no one has learned anything from him.

"I surrendered as much to Lincoln's goodness as I did to Grant's armies."

- General Robert E Lee.

And for Grant's part, he wrote an addendum to the surrender terms stating that the officers would not be disarmed. He set an example for union soldiers that Confederate officers be treated with the same respect by union soldiers that they would show for their own officers.

In my personal opinion, nothing harmed the south more than Lincoln's assassination. It brought people to power who sought to punish the south and they did exactly that.

Had I been around in the days leading up to the war I think I would have been in the Freesoil camp of thought. They would have averted war by containment of slavery and letting it die of starvation. If the north had refused to buy products (cotton) of slavery it would have died for a lack of profitability.

If only people had listened to the cooler heads of the day.

Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South.

-Sam Houston

[Pecos]

A person’s political party is irrelevant when they set aside the Constitution. The word “traitor” gets defined by the winner of every civil war ever fought, including the American Revolution.

[vetvetdoug]

I was educated in public schools all over the US and on military bases overseas. The history that was taught me about Lincoln never said a bad word about him. Later, I went to college in little Lincoln Memorial University where they have the third largest cache of Lincoln manuscripts and material in the US and discovered that Lincoln was a tyrant, was not religious, vain, and sacrificed a half million men to further the strength of the Federal government over the states. He had many options yet maneuvered the South into firing the first shot by dishonesty and back behind the scenes machinations. Yet Lincoln is deified and any criticism of him is met with resistance.

[DoodleDawg]

Had I been around in the days leading up to the war I think I would have been in the Freesoil camp of thought. They would have averted war by containment of slavery and letting it die of starvation.

By that definition Lincoln would have been in the Freesoil camp. He had made it clear that he had no intention of interfering with slavery where it existed, just opposed to expansion. And the South seceded anyway. I think the South was opposed to any limitations on slavery of any kind. So the war would have come regardless.

If the north had refused to buy products (cotton) of slavery it would have died for a lack of profitability.

I think the overwhelming bulk of the cotton produced was exported.

[Agamemnon]

If the north had refused to buy products (cotton) of slavery it would have died for a lack of profitability.

The Civil War in the US was not about slavery, but about a divide and conquer strategy hatched in Europe by powerful banksters and would-be mercantilists. They wanted to dominate again what they'd lost 80 years earlier, and make us just like them.

Today's civil war(s) in the US are not about racism but about a divide and conquer strategy hatched in Europe (and possibly China) by powerful banksters and would-be mercantilists. They want to dominate this society further through dividing their opposition and again make us just like them.

See a pattern?

"ilovesarah2012" and every other Lincoln hater on this board get played every time by this cabal. In our midst here on FR they are little more than tare-sowers still wallowing in the battles they (thankfully) lost.

These people call themselves "conservatives" but they are short sighted, waste time fighting historical battles long ago decided, and meanwhile have no credible long term strategy for Constitutional restoration to the Republic today. Division in the ranks is what the liberal cabal wants and that makes conservative opposition to them ineffective.

Agree with you that Lincoln's assassination was one of the worst things that could have ever happened to a post-war South.

FReegards!

[lakecumberlandvet]

Lisa Simpson, Jebediah Springfield, Honest Abe Lincoln. All figments of our imaginations and misrepresentations.

[SkyDancer]

Another pro-slavery ant-American proponent heard from.