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To: drypowder; JOHN W K; Jacquerie; All
I've researched both sides of this debate and have come down on the side of pushing ahead full bore with the Article V Convention of States.

It's either going to work or it isn't.

If it works and true Liberty Amendments are ratified, then oorah, we might survive.

If it's hijacked in any way then fine; on to plan B as in Boom and light this candle. It will indeed be time:

Either way, let's get on with it! People out here are getting impatient and sometimes feel like this:

So, get on with it states, the natives are restless. .

50 posted on 01/23/2014 8:40:37 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Art in Idaho
There is absolutely nothing to lose from an Article V amendment convention.

Governments fall into one of two categories. They either govern by consent, or rule by force. Only the brittle shell of our corrupted constitution remains.

I have just about talked myself out of voting in national elections. Why condone our growing police state?

We must make the attempt to save our republic. It may be too late, but there is no excuse to not push for an Article V state amendment convention.

51 posted on 01/24/2014 2:13:48 AM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: Art in Idaho
Here is a “big picture” point that I think illustrates how the process in DC cannot be reformed from within DC.

From 1789 to 1913 America was a federal republic.

Due to the 17th Amendment, from 1913 to say, the 1970s, America was a democratic republic. By that I mean the limitations of enumerated power were replaced by majoritarianism.

Since the 1970s we evolved into a modern police state where even democratic majorities do not rule. For example, Obamacare NEVER polled majority support. Over half of the states in their corporate capacity opposed Obamacare in court. So why does Obamacare exist?

In the modern American police state, Obama’s administrative bureaucrats churn out the laws we live under. As Fast & Furious, IRS abuse, etc. show, the bureaucrats are largely unknown and certainly untouchable.

So, not only are enumerated powers ignored, not only do the majority not get their way, a uniparty cadre of a few men and women oversee unelected commissars who determine how we will be born, live, work, and die.

THERE IS NOTHING TO LOSE THROUGH AN ARTICLE V AMENDMENT CONVENTION.

54 posted on 01/24/2014 3:24:57 AM PST by Jacquerie (Restore federalism and freedom. Repeal the 17th.)
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To: Art in Idaho; drypowder; Jacquerie; All
I researched this issue very carefully back in 1985 and cannot see any safe way to convene a convention without providing the opportunity to our corrupted state legislatures and our despotic federal government to rewrite our Constitution and undo the miracle our Founders left us.

Who would be in charge of deciding the constitutionality of the doings of the convention? Would it not be our very own despotic Supreme Court?

And who do you think will attend a convention should one be called? Would it not be the very snakes who now cause our sufferings? Could Madison be right, and that every snake on earth including ACORN, would seize the opportunity and find their way into the convention to advance interests not in the general welfare of the United States? Let us take a look at what has already happened in New Hampshire in 1984 when a convention was called to amend its state constitution.

During the 1984 New Hampshire Convention to alter its State Constitution, which was challenged in U.S. District Court, of the 400 delegates 64 were attorneys, eight were judges, four were state senators, and 113 were state representatives and there were two legislative lobbyists….the very people who are now causing our misery! Do you have confidence in these sorts of people who would most certainly find their way into the convention?

The suit went on to charge “there has been over 175 lawyers, judges, senators and representatives out of the total of 400 constitutional convention (delegates) elected, (who) are already holding a pubic office both in the legislature and judicial branches in violation of the separation of powers doctrine, and this count does not include wives and immediate family members who have been elected on their behalf.”



I wonder what Mark Levin would say regarding the selection process of those who will attend an Article V convention. And how many delegates does each state get to send to the convention? Will it be by a rule of apportionment in which our “progressive” states like California, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and a few others will have an overwhelming representation at the convention because of their large population size? And if they do, could they not steamroll their progressive agenda through the convention and force it upon the entire United States by adopting a rule for ratification in which a simple majority vote in the Senate is all that is needed for ratification or a mere nine states as was done to make our existing Constitution effective? Keep in mind the convention of 1787 violated the Articles of Confederation's rule requiring a unanimous consent to be obtained to alter it!

The fact is, there is a compelling argument to be made that the above mentioned socialist/progressive states would indeed be entitled to a representation at the convention in proportion to their population size! Does our Constitution not set a new rule by which representation shall be by the rule of apportionment which overruled the Articles of Confederation’s equal representation rule? And who will get to decide this question if raised? As pointed out above, would it not be our existing tyrannical Supreme Court?

Finally, it seems to be continually asserted by those calling for a convention that there is no way to restore our Constitution’s original provisions without calling an Article V convention. But that assertion is factually incorrect! The truth is undoing what our despotic federal government has done to us merely requires the people to rise up and demand such change! See our Constitution’s 21st Amendment! And then study how the people took it upon themselves to get the 18th Amendment repealed. The following photos tell the tail! CLICK HERE

The future of our country is in the hands of the American people, but they must rise to the occasion, and take back their country from their corrupted state legislatures and our despotic federal government. And that process could begin this coming election by asking those running for office if they will support the following House/Senate Joint Resolution:

House/Senate Joint Resolution

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the sixteenth article of amendment and end taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other “incomes”.

Section 1: The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.

Section 2: Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.

Section 3: This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by three fourths of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission thereof to the States by the Congress.


Is our existing and corrupted socialist/progressive tax system not the source of power used to enslave America's productive people and rob them of the wealth they have created? Would ending this horrid system of taxation and restoring our Constitution's original tax plan not be a major step in taking back our country?



I believe this would give America’s working people and business owners something to unite under and then work to elect members to Congress this coming election who will make the adoption of this proposal part of their campaign.


JWK




If the America People do not rise up and defend their existing Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, who is left to do so but the very people it was designed to control and regulate?

55 posted on 01/24/2014 4:54:21 AM PST by JOHN W K
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To: Art in Idaho

Funny but the guy in this photo with the tree of liberty sign is AGAINST a con con... LOL He’s from NH... and he agrees with the tea party here.

http://api.ning.com/files/vBymGa7JEQGijtzZnQZ5Jl34j1eWZURpfrkrPB5*AudLmCK6pYrMt0Ngfoxz9ILo17iZeY8kEROcse*S33nmrQ0cRxZw0kD0/TreeofLiberty.jpg


71 posted on 01/25/2014 2:04:50 PM PST by CowHampshire (NH, Tea Party, IB, Totalitarianism, Fascism, Taxation, Soros, NWO, Agenda 21, Common Core,)
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