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FL:Thoughts on Warning Shots From a Police Firearms Instructor
Gun Watch ^ | 11 January, 2013 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 01/10/2014 10:37:17 AM PST by marktwain

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Under the current Florida law, people have been prosecuted for "warning shots". If they just said that they missed, they could have been covered under the Stand Your Ground law. Both Marion Hammer and a state representative testified that there were several examples of this.
1 posted on 01/10/2014 10:37:17 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

It’s not a warning shot if you say you were trying to hit them and missed.


2 posted on 01/10/2014 10:41:07 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: marktwain

If you’re going to fire warning shots, save yourself the time, money, and effort and get a starter pistol instead of the real thing. Its been a couple of years since I read “In the Gravest Extreme” but I don’t remember Mossad Ayoob advocating warning shots.


3 posted on 01/10/2014 10:41:35 AM PST by Antihero101607
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To: marktwain

Florida has a “10-20-Life” law that dictates that if you use a gun in the commission of a crime, you get a mandatory 10 years; fire the gun, you get 20; kill someone, you get life. That law has been used to put people firing warning shots in jail for 20 years (there are 3 notable cases in Florida that were the impetus for this new legislation).


4 posted on 01/10/2014 10:43:02 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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I expect there will be several strong opinions here on FR about “Warning Shots.” They will be... “Only pull it out to use it and always shoot to kill.”

I will always take the position that all situations are different and dynamic. Train well and let your training and instinct guide your actions if ever you must defend yourself with a weapon.


5 posted on 01/10/2014 10:44:28 AM PST by Tenacious 1 (Liberals can afford for things to go well, to work, for folks to be happy. They'd be out of work.)
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There can be no blanket statements or legal requirements that actually work in the real world. There are always
those rare instances where a situation would warrant a
person doing something that is generally considered to be
unacceptable or unwise. Warning shots would be one of these
instances. The vast majority of the time a warning shot
would be ill advised but there are certainly times when
such an act is the better choice. The laws need to reflect
this reality. The problem being of course is that those
who create laws are often unconcerned or even hostile
regarding the concepts and practices of self defense, personal freedom and right. Add in the fact that prosecuting attorneys are virtuallY always looking at cases
that come before them as a means to THEIR personal ends
and we have the recipe for persecution disguised as prosecution.


6 posted on 01/10/2014 10:46:21 AM PST by nvscanman
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To: marktwain

Aim center mass.


7 posted on 01/10/2014 10:50:22 AM PST by dainbramaged (Windage and elevation, Mrs. Langdon; windage and elevation.)
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To: Antihero101607
In The Gravest Extreme was written in 1980, in a legal climate FAR different from that which we now experience. Ayoob (or someone) needs to write a modern version of the book, recognizing the many legal changes since then. The change in concealed-carry laws, along with castle doctrine laws and deprecation of "duty to retreat" need to be addressed. The graphic below illustrates the vast extent to which the law has changed ...


8 posted on 01/10/2014 10:54:19 AM PST by NorthMountain
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To: Tenacious 1

Yes each situation is different. The reality is many firearms are owned by people who rarely fire them and have little training.

IMO you don’t pull a firearm unless you have cause to use it. Sure displaying a firearm can help to deter an attacker. It can also get you arrested for brandishing.

Warning shots should be the rare exception.


9 posted on 01/10/2014 10:57:33 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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More then one criminal assault has been stopped

Good heavens. This is becoming epidemic. I've seen this at least a hundred times this week. The last time before this was yesterday on a enterprise level Linux software product. It was in an error message output. I thought some sort of college degree was necessary to become a software code writer.

Will anyone ever learn the difference between 'then' and 'than'? Or does no one care? It makes my teeth hurt.

10 posted on 01/10/2014 10:59:03 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ("The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - George Orwell)
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11 posted on 01/10/2014 11:01:15 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (His best hope is to keep his butt in New Jersy)
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To: Antihero101607

I don’t see any body here advocating warning shots. It is more of a specialize tool one has and only rarely uses.


12 posted on 01/10/2014 11:01:38 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Antihero101607
“If you’re going to fire warning shots, save yourself the time, money, and effort and get a starter pistol instead of the real thing. Its been a couple of years since I read “In the Gravest Extreme” but I don’t remember Mossad Ayoob advocating warning shots.”

He did not. Neither am I.

Massad Ayoob also wrote that in a certain circumstance, that he would shoot to kill an criminal who was not showing a weapon, even if the criminal had not seen him.

It was an extreme case involving an extremely dangerous sociopath that he personally knew. It just illustrates that there are exceptions to every policy.

13 posted on 01/10/2014 11:01:58 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Tenacious 1

Mr. Dynamic Situation,

Please share the efficy of warning shots used by LEO & Military (”trained professionals”), then get back to us.

PS...please also predict with accuracy where your wild warning shot will land, or do you go to the range to practice warning shots?

And yes, I meant to be rude and sarcastic. Just be glad I didn’t address you as Mr. BFD Biden.


14 posted on 01/10/2014 11:02:19 AM PST by LadyBuck (If your name isn't on a list already, you should be ashamed.)
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To: driftdiver

Defensive display is legal in many states.


15 posted on 01/10/2014 11:03:32 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: marktwain

center mass is a “good bullet stopping area,” is it not?


16 posted on 01/10/2014 11:05:42 AM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

I sorry that your teeth hurt so much.


17 posted on 01/10/2014 11:05:59 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Tenacious 1

Best advice I have seen on FR is combined firearm and backhoe ownership.

Shoot, Shovel & Forget.

Maybe you can toss in a tragic boating accident where all your guns (and backhoes) have been lost.


18 posted on 01/10/2014 11:07:19 AM PST by Rodamala
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To: LadyBuck

Who says a warning shot has to be wild.

Depending on the location and terrain one could very well determine where a warning shot could land.


19 posted on 01/10/2014 11:09:29 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: riverrunner

Depends on the prosecutor.


20 posted on 01/10/2014 11:11:04 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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