Female Marines: They’ve got your back – As long as it doesn’t involve upper body strength.
(NBC)
Posted on 12/28/2013 8:56:40 AM PST by servo1969
Female Marines: They’ve got your back – As long as it doesn’t involve upper body strength.
(NBC)
It's an Obama world…
Female Marines can’t do pullups but will be allowed on the front lines anyway.
KPCC reported:
Starting Jan. 1, every woman in the Marines Corps was supposed to meet a new physical standard by performing three pullups. But that has been put off.The Marine Corps announced it quietly. There was no news conference — just a notice on its social media sites and an item on its own TV show, “The Corps Report.”
Lance Cpl. Ally Beiswanger explained that the pullup test had been put off until sometime next year to gather more data and “ensure all female Marines are given the best opportunity to succeed.”
So far, female Marines are not succeeding. About 55 percent of female recruits tested at the end of boot camp were doing fewer than three pullups; only 1 percent of male recruits failed the test.
The three pullups is already the minimum required for all male Marines. Now the Marine Corps has postponed the plan, and that’s raising questions about whether women have the physical strength to handle ground combat, which they’ll be allowed to do beginning in 2016.
Marine officers would not talk to NPR on tape. They said they delayed the pullup requirement to avoid losing not only recruits but also current female Marines who can’t pass the test.
For years, female Marines have had to meet a different standard — an exercise called the “flexed arm hang” (holding one’s chin above the pullup bar for at least 15 seconds).
But beginning in 2016, women in the Marine Corps and Army will be allowed to serve in infantry, armor and artillery units. And they’ll need to be strong enough to climb those mud walls and carry ammunition.
Robert Maginnis, a retired Army lieutenant colonel, says the delay shows that women just can’t meet the same standards.
“Young women, in spite of all the training and all the best intentions, are not going to be the equal of young men in terms of upper body strength,” Maginnis says. “You’ve got to have a lot of upper body strength to lift the stuff. Been there, done that.”
Maginnis just wrote a book called “Deadly Consequences: How Cowards are Pushing Women into Combat.” He says the issue has more to do with politics than protecting the nation.
Here is the thing. Why do you think the Marine Corps is doing the opposite of the other services by attempting to hold females to the same PFT standard? I think what they are doing is brilliant. By proving that females cannot be held to the same basic PFT standard as males, they are also proving there is no way in hell females will meet the MOS specific standards to hold a combat arms MOS. This is their way of saluting and saying Aye Aye Sir, while proving the civilian leadership are wrong on this. The Marine Corps has been adamant about not lowering it’s standards for any reason. The sky is not falling. Once this thing plays out the Marine Corps will come out on the good end.
Have they run out of a few more good men that they need women to fill the ranks?
I hadn’t considered that angle and I hope you’re right, but I think if it plays out the way you say it will then there will suddenly be more talk again of eliminating the Marine Corps entirely. The bastards who are driving this agenda do not have the country’s best interests at heart.
Being blown up by an IED while being transported in a military vehicle is NOT the same thing as “being tested in combat.”
Any child or oldster or refugee can get blown up by an IED while riding in a vehicle. Should they all get CIBs?
There used to be an annual team adventure race called “the eco-challenge.” It was a multi-day team race involving all kinds of sports and challenges from rock climbing to jungle trail runs to kayaking, rough water swimming, etc.
Each team (I think of 5 or so as I recall) had to include a female. In the earliest eco-challenges, some winning teams literally CARRIED their “token female” up the hard stuff that they could not negotiate. Literally carried them.
What sane nation would put women into combat, when 99% of its combat-age men are at home?
Since as you say you are an ex marine, i would thought you could be more specific in your answer and not try to dodge the question.
Sorry girls, but I would put YOU on point!
No such thing as an ex Marine. And where did I dodge your question? The Marine Corps is the only service attempting to hold it’s females to the same standard as the males. How is that proof that the sky is falling? And I stated that I trust any Marine more than I do any soldier. If you fail to understand basic English than that’s on you my friend.
What is your experience with the Marine Corps? I think you don’t have any. If you did you wouldn’t be looking under rocks trying to find some non controversy to bitch about.
You are being evasive as h3ll, I said make BOTH squads Marines one all female one all male, now PICK! NO MORE DODGING. No more Army in the scenario grunt. Do I make myself clear?
In your stupid scenario that has zero chance of ever happening I pick the male squad. I never evaded your questions. You keep moving the damn endzone every time I blew your stuff out of the water. Now that I have satisfied your question how about debating the issue at hand.
Why?
Go pound sand shiitebird!!
Are you ever going to debate the topic at hand? Or are you going to continue with your dumbazz kindergarden strawman arguments. I answered your questions.
That is quotable.
It would appear that, when elected and sworn into Congress, the first thing a Republican does is submit to being constitutionally castrated. Otherwise, they would clearly take a stand against "President Obama’s Top 10 Constitutional Violations (up through 2011)" and "President Obama's Top 10 Constitutional Violations Of 2013."
And the gelded Republicans do nothing toward the impeachment of pRESIDENT Traitorobama. Instead, they offer only limp protests to Demonrat attrocities.
How many deaths and excruciating injuries will result from this insanity? I hope you guys are correct that these are PFT requirements and not MOS specific.
I remember the first time I heard the term “women’s lib”. It was Gloria Steinem and Betty Friedan in a brief interview during the radio news. They were trying to denigrate every achievement of my mother’s strong, devoted and intelligent life and what it stood for, and they were attacking the strong support and courageous nobility of my father and all fathers.
My thoughts went something like this: “...thousands of years of developing a powerful culture based on a firm Judeo-Christian family foundation, which works so beautifully, and now my time has come, and the Leftists are trying to destroy the value of my mentors’ achievements and the outcome of my dreams and future efforts? To hell with that!”
I was doing my homework and threw my book across the room. My parents came in, and I told them what I’d heard and that I could almost “see” what the future would hold if they had their way. “They”, I said, were trying to destroy the family. Of course, this wasn’t news to my Mom and Dad!
I was a young teen, and my eyes had been opening gradually to enemies within and without for awhile, but this was the first time I felt a personal attack from left field on my home base. Ever since that evening, I’ve despised and fought these “mother” hags and other leftists; fight what they are and who they represent; and what they have done and are doing to our country.
I know these women want to serve the USA, but they can do it in many other ways. Thousands of women in the military have served honorably and heroically, and many did so in WWII and Korea, decades before Steinem and Friedan mouthed-off that night. FReeper Joe 6-pack’s wonderful aunts are magnificent examples: military officers having served as nurses in combat zones during the above wars and including Vietnam.
These modern female soldiers in the article are smart enough to know what “leveling the playing field” can mean in the “field of battle”. They know, but maybe they are too prideful and busy trying to prove themselves in ways their indoctrinators in the school system would approve. Never mind that, in this pull-up requirement, they are failing miserably.
I don’t blame the indoctrinated and clueless generation as much as I blame their “mothers” and “fathers”, the socialist and communist mentors of our nation’s destruction.
Purely and simply, our bodies are different. If men place a chair or stool against a wall and bend over it with the flat (top) of their heads against the wall, they will not be able to lift the chair. Women can. It totally flummoxed my brothers. Once they realized why, they were glad they couldn’t do it!
Of course, the above example is trivial and has nothing whatsoever to do with differences in upper body strength. Although I might be wrong, I believe it has more to do with the shape and flexibility of a woman’s pelvis. A male and female are unlikely ever to be in such a silly position in war or peacetime, and it serves no useful porpose above being a party trick, or moving furniture in tight quarters. I offer it as just another example of anatomical differences. One sex cannot be the other and should not pretend they are.
As stated by many, if this is actually implemented into combat operations, it will lead to death and horrible injuries in battle and on rescue missions. One must also consider the trust factor and the blow to morale. I would worry more over the outcome of a battle if, every time, I knew I’d have to pull a sister soldier through it.
Thank you Steinem, Friedan, Fonda, Abzug, Chisholm, Greer, Brownmiller, Murray O’Hair, Angela Davis, and the remainder of you leftist hags for stewing the radical feminist pot, the gruel of which you continue to spoon feed your proteges in order to poison the country!
Thanks for letting me vent.
My post #78 and your post... this is what I would fear if I were a male soldier or Marine readying for battle.
He is. Graduated college and commissioned on 12/14. Next stop TBS at Quantico in June then flight school at Pensacola. There's a pic of him getting his bars on my profile page.
Thanks for asking
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