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That same pilot also said he was very surprised to find that Fuddy had died because she seemed fine.

And BTW, that same pilot also has never been listed as a pilot for Makani Kai, even though their pilot list was updated twice THIS YEAR, in June and on Dec 2 (just 9 days before this flight) - even though reports have said he flew for Makani Kai for 1-2 years (depending on the source).

I’m not saying there wasn’t wind that would blow cushions around. If you think the wind could blow a mostly-submerged Loretta Fuddy around as quickly as it would blow a seat cushion, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

I posted a link on a different thread, answering the question of what is the ideal temperature for a swimming pool. The most comfortable range for non-competition swimming is 78-82 degrees. Someone else posted an article about hypothermia which showed that at 78 degrees a person could become fatigued or non-responsive because of hypothermia after 3-12 hours. Shortly after that the news stories tried to make it sound like it was a couple hours before the rescue crews got there - even though there was a news report about the landing - including that one had died - within about an hour of it happening.

See, the stories shifted about as much as the water did - and always to fit whatever narrative was being pushed regarding Fuddy’s death. First it was that she was still in the fuselage. Then it was that she was out of the fuselage but probably had a heart attack. Then it was that she probably had hypothermia... And whenever the theory shifted here on FR, the news reports shifted or contradicted the earlier reports to try to fit the theory. Maybe it was the other way around; maybe the news stories shifted first and then the theories here shifted to fit. But the reports were contradictory.

The kind of murder that wouldn’t show up in an autopsy examination is a poisoning. And some poisonings don’t even show up in the tox results. Hypothermia and complications thereof, heart failure, etc would show up in an autopsy examination.

“That same pilot also said he was very surprised to find that Fuddy had died because she seemed fine.”

Sure, but a pilot isn’t usually a medical professional, and someone can go from fine to dead pretty quickly in the open ocean.

“And BTW, that same pilot also has never been listed as a pilot for Makani Kai, even though their pilot list was updated twice THIS YEAR, in June and on Dec 2 (just 9 days before this flight) - even though reports have said he flew for Makani Kai for 1-2 years (depending on the source).”

Okay, that’s some poor website management they’ve got going on, I guess.

“I’m not saying there wasn’t wind that would blow cushions around. If you think the wind could blow a mostly-submerged Loretta Fuddy around as quickly as it would blow a seat cushion, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.”

The seat cushions are just the example the pilot used to describe how the ocean conditions were. Apparently something, whether it was wind, currents, or Fuddy’s own panicked swimming, moved her away from the group fast enough that they couldn’t find her. I don’t think there is any doubt about that is there? So why do we need a mysterious twenty minute time lapse for her to have died and drifted 200 yards? For all we know, she kept swimming trying to get back to the group and went in the wrong direction.

“See, the stories shifted about as much as the water did - and always to fit whatever narrative was being pushed regarding Fuddy’s death. First it was that she was still in the fuselage. Then it was that she was out of the fuselage but probably had a heart attack. Then it was that she probably had hypothermia... And whenever the theory shifted here on FR, the news reports shifted or contradicted the earlier reports to try to fit the theory. Maybe it was the other way around; maybe the news stories shifted first and then the theories here shifted to fit. But the reports were contradictory.”

The only theories that I’ve seen are theories that somehow, because a woman died after a plane crash, and that woman had some roundabout connection to Obama, it must have been a murder. People have been pointing out that any number of other scenarios, like drowning, exhaustion, heart failure or maybe even hypothermia are more likely to be the ultimate explanation than some far-fetched conspiracy. Yet somehow, you spin that to “pushing a narrative” and “contradictory reports”.

The conspiracy theorists are “pushing a narrative” themselves, with no evidence. They condemn the press accounts for errors, but they themselves haven’t bothered to go interview a single witness or do any footwork themselves. I guess they believe that their armchair sleuthing skills are great enough to discern the truth from afar, and then share it with the rest of us.

“The kind of murder that wouldn’t show up in an autopsy examination is a poisoning. And some poisonings don’t even show up in the tox results. Hypothermia and complications thereof, heart failure, etc would show up in an autopsy examination.”

So, you think that, because they haven’t declared her cause of death yet, it must be a poisoning? Does that mean every case where they can’t determine a cause of death after an autopsy is a poisoning?

I’m pretty sure that autopsies, while pretty good at this point, are not an exact science. There are things that any individual examiner could miss, or not even think to look for. There are also mundane causes of death that wouldn’t leave much evidence to look for, which is one reason that they still sometimes use broad categories, like “natural causes”. If Grandma Robinson died, and they said it was “natural causes”, should we automatically assume Obama killed her off because she knew too much?