Judge Rules: Obama Social Security Card Fraud May Finally Get Answers

Freedom Post ^ | December 22, 2013 | Tim Brown

[IbJensen]

It took years for Watergate to unravel fully. The controversy over Barack Hussein Obama and his past, along with fraudulent documents continues to make headlines. Yet, the items needed to actually verify who Obama is continue to be kept from the public eye. Well, that all may be about to change. Attorney Orly Taitz may have just found a chink in the federal government’s armor in protecting Barack Obama from scrutiny, following a judge’s ruling over her Freedom of Information Act request from the Social Security Administration.

Taitz has claimed that Obama uses the Social Security number of Harry Bounel and has submitted several Freedom of Information Act requests for the information from the Social Security Administration. Each time, she has been met with stonewalling by the Social Security Administration.

However, Judge Ellen Lipton Hollander has ruled to give Taitz “an opportunity to file a second amended complaint and add allegations of SSA not doing a proper search and withholding records.”

From Taitz’s Press Release:

Judge Hollander in Maryland gives Attorney Orly Taitz 21 days to file a second amended complaint and add allegations in regards to an improper withholding by the Social Security Administration of records of Harry Bounel, whose Social security number is being illegally used by Barack Obama. When Taitz filed the complaint, SSA did not respond at all. After the law suit was filed, SSA responded by fraudulently claiming that the records were not found. Taitz responded that this is a fraudulent assertion, since the records were found before and denied to another petitioner due to privacy concerns, however Social Security has no right to claim privacy as according to their own 120 year rule they have a duty to release the records. The judge stated that the plaintiff Taitz might be correct, however at this time she cannot rule in her favor as her original complaint was filed before SSA responded, so the judge gave Taitz an opportunity to refile a second amended complaint and add new allegations, stating the SSA responded but improperly hidden the records . This is a great development. This all but assures that the judge will order the SSA to release the SS-5, Social Security application of resident of CT, Harrison (Harry) Bounel, whose CT SSN 042-68-4425 was stolen by Obama and used in Obama’s 2009 tax returns, which initially were posted on WhiteHouse.gov without proper redaction, without flattening of the file. Taitz will be very careful not to be Breitbarted or Fuddied in the next 21 days.

Additionally, there is an increased tampering with the web site of Orly Taitz and with her ability to send mass -emails. It seems her private server is somehow affected and Taitz is unable to send mass e-mails on two different programs.

It’s interesting that Taitz points out that she will be “careful not to be Breitbarted or Fuddied,” indicating that she believes that both Andrew Breitbart and Andrew Breitbart and Loretta Fuddy were targeted by Obama for assassination.” Breitbart died on the very day that he said he would begin vetting Obama for the 2012 elections, which raised suspicions. Fuddy, best remembered as being instrumental in issuing the Hawaii long-form birth certificate, was the only person to die aboard a small plane that crashed off the coast of Hawaii last week. Already, there are questions surrounding the narrative of her death.

Taitz alleged that Mr. Bounel was born in 1890, and therefore, under the “’120 Year Rule’ implemented by the SSA in 2010,” pertaining to “‘extremely aged individuals,’” Bounel’s “Social Security applications have to be released under FOIA without proof of [his] death . . . .”

The reason for the judge’s amendment seems to be a procedural one. Taitz filed suit with the court prior to receiving word back from her Freedom of Information Act request, which she did receive on July 29, 2013 from Dawn S. Wiggins, a Fredom of Information Officer. Wiggins replied to Taitz:

I have enclosed a copy of the SS-5s for Mr. Tsarnaev and Ms. Dunham. . . .

We were unable to find any information for Mr. Bounel based on the information you provided to us. Mr. Bounel may not have applied for a Social Security number (SSN) or may have given different information on the application for a number.

It appears that once the amendment is submitted, this may force the Social Security Administration to explain exactly what is going on with Barack Obama’s Social Security number.

We should know something about the case by the second week in January 2014.

Click here to read the judge's ruling:

http://cdn.freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Taitz-v-Colvin-order-to-file-an-amended-complaint.pdf

[jonno]

Inquiring minds may want to know.

Q20: Are Social Security numbers reused after a person dies?

A: No. We do not reassign a Social Security number (SSN) after the number holder’s death. Even though we have issued over 453 million SSNs so far, and we assign about 5 and one-half million new numbers a year, the current numbering system will provide us with enough new numbers for several generations into the future with no changes in the numbering system.

from: http://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html

[SeminoleCounty]

Unfortunately too many “conservatives” preferred attacking Birthers and not helping with Obama Eligibilty...in effect helping Obama get elected twice.

Those who refused to take Eligibility seriously helped Obama get elected...twice

[Glennb51]

You have summarized perfectly the current state of affairs.

[IbJensen]

The weasel ensconced in the White Hut is as illegal as a three dollar bill. Actually more credence would be placed on the counterfeit currency.

[Logical me]

King Obama’s communists empire is too big for this to amount to anything. We are under the dictatorship of an empire that is so corrupt that dispensing is just one of the normal routines of a truly communists government. Wake up America!

[SvenMagnussen]

Here's an example of a motion Orly could file ...

OBJECTION TO APPOINTMENT OF SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION COMMISSIONER; MOTION FOR ADEQUATE SEARCH OF SSA RECORDS BY PLAINTIFF

COMES NOW, Plaintiff Orly Taitz, "Plaintiff", to OBJECT to the appointment of Social Security Administration Commissioner (Name of Commissioner) and states the following; to wit:

1) Plaintiff objects to all laws, rules, regulations and appointments of an ineligible President in violation of Article II and the Appointment's Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

2) Social Security Commissioner (Name of Commissioner) was appointed by President Barack Hussein Obama II.

3) President Barack Hussein Obama II is not a natural born citizen and in violation of the Article II of the United States Constitution.

4) Plaintiff moves this Court to order President Obama prove he is a natural born citizen and his appointments are valid or, in the alternative, order the SSA provide Plaintiff access to the complete NUMIDENT file for Harrison J. Bounel, Harry Bounel and the NUMIDENT files associated with the 042-**-**** SSN.

5) Plaintiff states the employees of the SSA under the control of an objectionable appointee cannot adequately search and respond to Plaintiff.

Plaintiff moves the Court to indemnify Plaintiff from all laws, regulation, executive orders and appointments by the ineligible President Barack Hussein Obama II or order a discovery conference to conduct a complete records search to determine the current Natural Born citizenship status of the President.

[RobinOfKingston]

Are there no other conservative American lawyers who can HELP Attorney Orly Taitz?

Probably none willing to be besmirched as she has been ... from both left and right.

[CpnHook]

Of course, Orly wont’ do this. She’ll demand the SSA conduct a search. She’ll demand the Court order the SSA to conduct a better search. The SSA will detail a search that finds nothing in an affidavit. The Court will ask Orly if she has a rebuttal witness. Orly will claim the Judge is in on the conspiracy.

This should come with "Spoiler Alert" for those who may not be familiar with Taitz's predictable incompetence. :)

[B4Ranch]

Contact Dr. Taitz at
orly.taitz@gmail.com.
In case of emergency, call 949-683-5411.

[William Tell]

DoodleDawg said: "The judge is giving her a chance to file an amended complaint because Taitz screwed up her first attempts:"

Perhaps you have cause to criticize Taitz. But the judge's statement makes clear that the complaint was mooted by the actions of the SSA, not by the actions of Taitz.

[SvenMagnussen]

Orly ignores me.

Someone should email her post 26. An individual objecting to an ineligible President and an ineligible President’s laws, rules, regulations, executive orders and appointments is the only way to go.

The U.S. Constitution cannot be used to thwart the Will of the People, even if they choose an ineligible person to be President. The Bill of Rights protects the individual from the actions of an ineligible President.

Orly has standing to object to an ineligible President and his appointments because of her FOIA dispute with SSA. The Commissioner of the SSA is appointed by Obama. The appointments of an ineligible President can be objected to or the President must prove he’s eligible.

If Obama drops his BC on the Court to prove he’s eligible. The Plaintiff can move the Court to proceed with Discovery to subpoena his Occidental College records, naturalization records, SSN Application (Form SS-5), and his NUMIDENT file.

The NUMIDENT file is the post-processing file created after a SSA document examiner investigates the Form SS-5. The PRA field will be “N” for U.S. Citizen applicants. The PRA field, Permanent Resident Alien, will be “Y” for legal residents who not U.S. Citizens.

Obama’s PRA field on his NUMIDENT file is “Y”. It’s independent proof Obama was not a US Citizen in 1977.

An individual cannot have the Court order the removal of a sitting President. An individual cannot impeach a sitting President. An individual can object to all laws, rules, regulations, executive orders and appointments of an ineligible President and request the Court indemnify the Plaintiff from the actions of the ineligible President.

[CpnHook]

4) Plaintiff moves this Court to order President Obama prove he is a natural born citizen and his appointments are valid or, in the alternative, order the SSA provide Plaintiff access to the complete NUMIDENT file for Harrison J. Bounel, Harry Bounel and the NUMIDENT files associated with the 042-**-**** SSN.

Pres. Obama is not a party to this case. That might pose a wee small problem as to this suggested request. Non-parties are not put to proof. The burden of proof in most all instances lies with the moving party/plaintiff (i.e., Orly).

Orly has standing to object to an ineligible President and his appointments because of her FOIA dispute with SSA.

The problem here is that having a social security number (or not) is not requiste to Presidential eligibility. So there is no logical nexus between the SSA's discharge of its function searching for records of "Harry Bounel" and the legitimacy of the appointment of the SSA head.

The courts have made clear an individual does have standing to challenge the eligibility of an elected President. One can't likely bootstrap an argument to circumvent that problem by labeling it a dispute about a Presidential appointment when the "proof" turns on the same allegations and documentation.

[SvenMagnussen]

Pres. Obama is not a party to this case. That might pose a wee small problem as to this suggested request. Non-parties are not put to proof. The burden of proof in most all instances lies with the moving party/plaintiff (i.e., Orly).

It's unfortunate in nearly all of these eligibility cases internet posters firmly believe evidence or proof must be presented with an allegation.

Not true.

An allegation made by the plaintiff in a civil case is considered to be true until the Court rules the allegations have merit (plaintiff wins) or do not have merit (defendant wins). Since Court rules dictate the allegations made by the plaintiff in a civil suit are true until a ruling is made, then evidence submitted before the Discovery Conference is ignored. After Discovery begins, the plaintiff can subpoena evidence from primary witnesses. Primary witnesses are the individuals who have control of the original documents. Orly can subpoena the custodian of Obama's Occidental College records to appear and bring Obama's complete Occidental college file with him. The same is true of Obama's naturalization records, SSA records and tax returns. This is where the Plaintiff proves Obama is ineligible.

Testimony and evidence from a secondary witness is ignored by the Court until the Primary witness testifies and presents evidence. A secondary witness will only be allowed to testify as a rebuttal witness. If a primary witness testifies the documents cannot be found or does not exist, a rebuttal witness can testify the documents exist and they can show their proof. If will be extremely difficult to prove Bounel's SSA file exists because he was found in a 1940 census. It is better to object to the appointments made by an ineligible President. The SSA Commissioner is an Obama appointee. Orly needs to file an objection with the Court and request the Court order Obama to prove he's eligible or sustain her objection to his appointees and allow her to search for the records requested.

Orly has standing to object to an ineligible President and his appointments because of her FOIA dispute with SSA.

The problem here is that having a social security number (or not) is not requiste to Presidential eligibility. So there is no logical nexus between the SSA's discharge of its function searching for records of "Harry Bounel" and the legitimacy of the appointment of the SSA head.

The courts have made clear an individual does have standing to challenge the eligibility of an elected President. One can't likely bootstrap an argument to circumvent that problem by labeling it a dispute about a Presidential appointment when the "proof" turns on the same allegations and documentation.

The President appoints the SSA Commissioner. The SSA Commissioner serves at the pleasure of the President and speaks on behalf of the President in matters concerning the SSA. Consequently, objecting to an ineligible President is objecting to the SSA Commissioner of the ineligible President.

The De Facto Officer Doctrine validates appointments made by an ineligible President if a citizen subject to adverse action by the ineligible President does not object to the laws, regulations and appointments of an ineligible President. Consequently, Orly must file an Objection with the Court stating Obama is ineligible to be President because he is not a natural born citizen and she objects to the appointments made by any ineligible President. The Court must sustain the objection or order Obama to prove he is eligible.

Obama is free to waive his right to prove he is eligible and his appointments are unobjectionable. If so, the objection must be sustained and a deal must be worked out between Plaintiff and the SSA for Plaintiff to search and examine the documents requested. Anyone in a dispute with the Federal government can object to the laws, rules, regulations and appointments of an ineligible President. If so, the President must prove he's eligible or exempt the plaintiff from all laws, rules, regulations and appointments made by the ineligible President.

[Chewbarkah]

Does the statement below (posted today by SeizetheCarp on a thread about Obama pretending to sign up for ObamaCare) reveal why Harrison Bounel’s Soc Sec file, that previously existed, now “could not be found”? Orly Tait needs to direct a parallel query about Bounel and this SSN to the Secret Service.

“’His situation is unique,’ the official insisted. ‘The president couldn’t have used the DC exchange’s website because the databases these sites use to confirm insurance eligibility wouldn’t contain those sorts of records about him.’
“The Secret Service, the aide explained, typically scrubs personal records of U.S. presidents from credit, financial and historical databases when they take office, as part of a range of security precautions meant to protect the occupant of the Oval Office.”

Were the Harry Bounel records part of the “Historical databases” scrubbed by Obama’s Secret Service? (Maybe the SS lost them while blind drunk at a third world brothel.)

[SvenMagnussen]

“’His situation is unique,’ the official insisted. ‘The president couldn’t have used the DC exchange’s website because the databases these sites use to confirm insurance eligibility wouldn’t contain those sorts of records about him.’"

In a civil suit, the burden of proof shifts to the defendant once the defendant denies the allegations.

In an Presidential eligibility civil suit, it would be expected Obama would present his BC as proof he's eligible. The plaintiff can request discovery. In discovery, the plaintiff can subpoena primary witnesses for original documentation proving Obama has not maintained his natural born citizenship status throughout his life.

In the event a defendant or supporters of the defendant successfully scrub incriminating documents, the plaintiff can call rebuttal witnesses. The plaintiff does not have to identify the rebuttal witness or the evidence the rebuttal witness has available prior to trial. This prevents the defendant or supporters of the defendant from "Fuddying" the rebuttal witness.

It is left up to the jury after that. Does the jury believe the defendant has nothing to hide, so he scrubbed all incriminating documents? Or does the jury believe the rebuttal witness.

[Chewbarkah]

Perhaps, but the process at hand not an eligibility lawsuit, but a FOIA request for SocSec information for deceased citizen Harry Bounel — data previously recognized to exist, but now said to be “not found”, which evades the question of existence or alternative location. The “official” promoting Obama’s fake ObamaCare signup now tells us the Secret Service scrubbed all data relating to Mr. President. If the allegation that Obama has used Bounel’s SSN is true, the SS likely would have “scrubbed” Bounel’s SocSec records. Therefore, direct an FOIA request for the data to the correct agency: the Secret Service. And amend the request to the Social Security Agency to include any records or references of information about Obama “removed or blocked” by the Secret Service or other government agency. These fish are hard to land, but you have to at least drop the hook in the right spot.

[SvenMagnussen]

The Judge in Orly’s FOIA case indicated the Plaintiff could object to a not found determination by the SSA and demand a an audit of their search method and criteria.

A record determined to have existed but currently not found, as you indicated, will be exposed in the audit. The plaintiff can then cross reference the Secret Service and name them has a defendant in the suit.

Incidentally, the Secret Service is provided a copy of all CLN’s issued by the Secretary of State. Consequently, the Secret Service knew immediately Obama was not eligible for POTUS.

[halfright]

I pray you are correct but I feel like it is “whizzing up a rope”. We are hosed.

[FreeAtlanta]

I can’t help think that the “prostitute” situation in south America a couple of years ago was actually a purge and I wonder if some or all were innocent of the charges.

[SvenMagnussen]

Probably.

A mistake was made. The NUMIDENT file associated with 042-**-*** SSN has a PRA field equal to “Y”. “Y” in the PRA means the applicant is a Permanent Resident Alien.

Harrison J Bounel was an immigrant to the U.S. It would be expected to find “Y” in the PRA field in Bounel’s NUMIDENT file. All persons born in the U.S. are U.S citizens at birth and do not become Permanent Resident Aliens unless they have been issued a CLN and emigrated back to the U.S. with the intention of naturalizing.

So, if the NUMIDENT file for 042-**-**** has a “Y” it means Obama is not a natural born citizen or he has stolen Harrison J. Bounel’s SSN and edited some, but not all, of Bounel’s NUMIDENT file.