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Would Americans Actually Dare Revolt Against This Abusive Government?
ClashDaily.com ^ | 12/9/13 | Donald Joy

Posted on 12/11/2013 9:34:25 AM PST by IChing

America’s Founding Fathers spelled it out pretty clearly: The purpose of government is to secure the God-given, inalienable rights of men. They put that exact language into The Declaration of Independence.

They also spelled out, exactly, that when government becomes abusive, and “destructive of these ends,” it is mankind’s right and duty to alter, abolish, or overthrow it.

You may have seen the recent news about prominent and well-spoken experts testifying before Congress regarding the Obama administration’s shocking usurpations and out-of-control excesses, especially the utter lack of regard for Constitutional limits on the powers of the executive branch. The testimony was remarkable in that the prospect of possible citizen uprising and revolt was brought up repeatedly. I can’t recall in my lifetime this ever having happened before, in such an official, high-level on-the-record context before the cameras and klieg lights.

The question that comes to my mind foremost is not whether such outright revolt is justified or warranted. The question is whether enough of us have the will and the wherewithal to carry it out.

Given what millions of us see as plainly egregious high crimes and misdemeanors by Obama and his agents, without adequate redress of our grievances by those who we believe are also largely corrupt–our representatives in Congress–a large chunk of the American population easily pays lip service to the idea of actual revolution, as opposed to more of the same-old, same-old election cycle shenanigans.

But talking and doing are, of course, two very different things.

I realize that by typing these words and sending them out over the cyber-clothesline, I’m somewhat risking a visit from the gestapo. So what. Let them throw me in jail. My wife and son would suffer, but if I’ve learned anything about that woman in the eight years we’ve been married, it’s that she can catch fish just as well or even better than I can on any given day, and probably live off the land if she has to. She was pretty much raised that way.

Have we as a society become so soft and accustomed to the comforts of technology and of various government checks & subsidies that too few of us would ever forcefully resist the tyranny that is growing from the power-mad panderers of the Left?

Life certainly is much different today than in the days of the American Revolution. Not only are people generally much more dependent on vast, highly-advanced, complex, specialized, and bureaucratic systems and technology which have removed them so much from the concept and practice of self-reliance in nature of those more primitive times, but anyone contemplating some kind of active defiance of the status quo has to consider also the comparatively extremely lopsided scenario such a prospect involves where it comes to actual weapons systems, intelligence networks, command and control operations, and logistics.

George Washington’s regulars, guerrillas, mercenaries, and Minutemen were long-shot underdogs against a formidable foe, of course, in the vastly better equipped, funded, and armed redcoats of King George. However, the muskets, horses, and cannon of our Revolutionary fighters were somewhat comparable, in technological sophistication and array, to the similarly primitive (by modern standards) hardware deployed by the crown. Furthermore, having “home field advantage,” all the colonists really had to do was make things so horrible for the king’s forces, much of which had come all the way from across the ocean, that the King eventually just relented rather than continue to try to keep control from all those thousands of miles away.

Nowadays, however, we’re talking about guys (and gals) with handguns, hunting rifles, carbines, and really not much more than that at all, up against the most space-age, entrenched, home-grown federal leviathan of lasers and satellites, nuclear missiles and bomber planes, tanks, aircraft carrier ships, helicopters, jet fighters and cargo planes, AWACS and close-air support planes, refueling tanker planes, smart bombs, infrared and laser-guided weird weapons that can zap and vaporize entire city blocks (I’ve been out of the military too long to even know what the hell these new weapons are), not to mention truly spooky, virtually omniscient surveillance and communications technology along with the government’s presumed ability to shut down any kind of tech networks we might employ.

Real encouraging, isn’t it?

Y’all think we should just stick to trying to vote the bastards out? Or am I missing something?


TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: cwii; cwiiping; neversurrender; revolt; revolution; tyranny
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To: pgkdan

I think we would, but getting the word out will be near to impossible unless we go back to pony express. Everything is snooped on, tracked, watched, photographed, etc. The British would have grabbed the guy in the North Tower before he gave the signal and Paul Revere’s horse would have been MIA if the American Revolution were occurring today.


41 posted on 12/11/2013 10:26:37 AM PST by madison10
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To: wintertime
I wonder if the South would have won the Civil War if they had solely used guerrilla warfare tactics?
Different topic but an interesting one. The Feds were definitely worried that CSA military leaders would just surrender the lame and halt and sick and tell their younger subordinate commanders to take as many people as wanted to go and scatter to the winds to continue the struggle. E. P. Alexander , a very competent officer, explicitly presented that option to Lee on the eve of Appomattox. Certainly the Afrikaners pretty much ran out the clock playing that option with the British in the South African War of 1899-1902. Davis didn't have the grasp or vision to use a sort of modified Maoist strategy which is just what Juarez did in Mexico. Representative regimes will eventually grow tired of interminable conflicts with a tactically resilient foe.
42 posted on 12/11/2013 10:27:14 AM PST by robowombat
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To: pgkdan
I don’t think we’ll ever revolt against the government no matter how tyrannical it beocomes. As a nation, as a people, we’re too fat, lazy and comfortable. Not all of us...but as a nation this is true.

you are 100% correct. We are so far from revolt that those advocating it are merely keyboard warriors of the first order. My grandfather fought in the Mexican Revolution and the Cristero War that followed. His reason for fighting was that the soldiers put his friend against the wall and shot him because they were out hunting rabbits and his friend had a .22 rifle. He said that they were starving and that the bandits were the only ones giving food. The reason he fought for El Cristo Rey was because he was a devout Catholic and the government burned a church and murdered the priests with several members of the church. By then he'd been fighting for about 3-4 years.

He said to never take food from the government or let your family be fed from "the man". It makes him your "patron" and you owe him your life.

We have so far to descend to actually make he middle class desperate enough for violence that it's a joke. Sure, there will be the occasional outrage like Waco or some TSA nonsense or even a growth in local police thuggery, but in general you have to be willing to die and lose all your home and savings in order to fight. So we are headed or should I say, sliding towards a socialist republic that will probably resemble some European hybrid with patches of "crazy" American freedom loving anachronisms.

43 posted on 12/11/2013 10:29:23 AM PST by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat they sh#t on.)
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To: pgkdan
As a nation, as a people, we’re too fat, lazy and comfortable

Not to mention the job, the mortgage payment, the payments on the new truck and boat, soccer practice for the kids and NFL football on Sunday afternoons.

Maybe when their schedule slows down in February but then it'll be too cold to get out and do some revolutionizing......maybe in the spring.

44 posted on 12/11/2013 10:31:08 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Miss Muffit suffered from arachnophobia.....)
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To: IChing

He’s missing something alright.


45 posted on 12/11/2013 10:33:40 AM PST by ifinnegan
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To: IChing
"It's good to be King"
46 posted on 12/11/2013 10:36:16 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: All
You may have seen the recent news about prominent and well-spoken experts testifying before Congress regarding the Obama administration’s shocking usurpations and out-of-control excesses, especially the utter lack of regard for Constitutional limits on the powers of the executive branch. The testimony was remarkable in that the prospect of possible citizen uprising and revolt was brought up repeatedly. I can’t recall in my lifetime this ever having happened before, in such an official, high-level on-the-record context before the cameras and klieg lights.

Grandstanding for the cameras. While those giving such testimony are likely grounded in the American ideological basis for armed insurrection against the governing power, I am sanguine that they are, even though testifying, considering themselves as potentially so engaged. Hence mere pageantry.

The question that comes to my mind foremost is not whether such outright revolt is justified or warranted. The question is whether enough of us have the will and the wherewithal to carry it out.

Virtually all human beings have the will and wherewithal for lethal aggression against agents of the State if their conditions are sufficiently oppressive, despairing, hopeless and brutal. Create conditions where there is nothing left to lose and any human has the capacity for exiting the world with a bang of vengeance against the deservingly hated. What most fail to grasp is the banality of the process.

It is not through virtuous indignation and aroused ideology, adherence to political fantasy or even religious duty that people revolt. It comes through desperation. When your child is shot in front of you, your wife bayoneted as she crawls to him, your property burnt and your daughter passed around in front of you... then the human heart forces the hand to action. This is why dictatorships and tyrannies that maintain efficient locomotive schedules and minimal nutritional support for their populations tend to survive. When State agents commit horror and genocide you'll have your revolution. Shooting family pets and destroying 1/6th of the national economy is not going to trigger it.

Given what millions of us see as plainly egregious high crimes and misdemeanors by Obama and his agents, without adequate redress of our grievances by those who we believe are also largely corrupt–our representatives in Congress–a large chunk of the American population easily pays lip service to the idea of actual revolution, as opposed to more of the same-old, same-old election cycle shenanigans.

Mere talk.

But talking and doing are, of course, two very different things.

Of course. No one wants to be first precisely because being "first" means "being involuntarily motivated by firsthand experience of horror and genocide". And who the hell wants to put their loved ones through that in order to satisfy an imaginary revolutionary glory?

I realize that by typing these words and sending them out over the cyber-clothesline, I’m somewhat risking a visit from the gestapo.

Ridiculous. If nothing else, those charged with the duty of organic indigenous threat analysis can tell the difference between onanistic fantasy and operational planning. Furthermore, to equate the current tactics of the American state leviathan with the actual systematic murderous conduct of the Geheim Staatspolizei is premature.

Have we as a society become so soft and accustomed to the comforts of technology and of various government checks & subsidies that too few of us would ever forcefully resist the tyranny that is growing from the power-mad panderers of the Left?

Certainly not. Start shelling ethnic subdivisions; confiscating wealth (taxation is not confiscation); relocating masses of citizenry into sex-segregated lagers; eliminating the legal existence of alternate political parties; absconding with females from targeted populations; carry out extrajudicial killings publicly; and you'll have your revolution.

Life certainly is much different today than in the days of the American Revolution. Not only are people generally much more dependent on vast, highly-advanced, complex, specialized, and bureaucratic systems and technology which have removed them so much from the concept and practice of self-reliance in nature of those more primitive times, but anyone contemplating some kind of active defiance of the status quo has to consider also the comparatively extremely lopsided scenario such a prospect involves where it comes to actual weapons systems, intelligence networks, command and control operations, and logistics.

One human being tearing another apart with raw hands and teeth always remains an irremediable option. The trick is simply getting close enough and thereby effecting gameshift impact.

George Washington’s regulars, guerrillas, mercenaries, and Minutemen were long-shot underdogs against a formidable foe, of course, in the vastly better equipped, funded, and armed redcoats of King George. However, the muskets, horses, and cannon of our Revolutionary fighters were somewhat comparable, in technological sophistication and array, to the similarly primitive (by modern standards) hardware deployed by the crown. Furthermore, having “home field advantage,” all the colonists really had to do was make things so horrible for the king’s forces, much of which had come all the way from across the ocean, that the King eventually just relented rather than continue to try to keep control from all those thousands of miles away.

The Third Amendment means that the revolutionary in 21st century America has to go a little further than the bedroom down the hall to get to work, but the revolutionary's commute really does end in his own neighborhood.

The agents of the State have elderly parents, children, and other vulnerable noncombatants. "That's disgusting," you may say. Yes, absolutely, and that is how civil war is waged. I refer the outraged back to the primary point I proffer: that violent revolution is, in fact, produced in reaction to precisely that murderous action by the State against the vulnerable noncombatants of the People.

"All's fair in love and war" is not a cliche without reason.

Nowadays, however, we’re talking about guys (and gals) with handguns, hunting rifles, carbines, and really not much more than that at all, up against the most space-age, entrenched, home-grown federal leviathan of lasers and satellites, nuclear missiles and bomber planes, tanks, aircraft carrier ships, helicopters, jet fighters and cargo planes, AWACS and close-air support planes, refueling tanker planes, smart bombs, infrared and laser-guided weird weapons that can zap and vaporize entire city blocks (I’ve been out of the military too long to even know what the hell these new weapons are), not to mention truly spooky, virtually omniscient surveillance and communications technology along with the government’s presumed ability to shut down any kind of tech networks we might employ.

Real encouraging, isn’t it?


Shrug. Nothing good is easy. Violent overthrow and subsequent seizure of the State is the most risky and catastrophically dangerous human activity undertaken. Of course, the rewards of utter seizure of State power are unlimited, and thus the enticing lure it presents to all.

Y’all think we should just stick to trying to vote the bastards out? Or am I missing something?

Unless you're prepared to sacrifice your children to being gut-shot on the street for what you believe, don't even try anything else.

It's really time for fantasizing to stop, and reality to set in. If violent overthrow of the State is warranted by the true imperative of human conscience, begin it. If not, better to adhere to the political process than to trigger apocalyptic social revision. It causes less property damage and when the winds of fortune shift against you and your cause, you may find less blood spattering through it.
47 posted on 12/11/2013 10:44:53 AM PST by Robert Teesdale
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To: Hot Tabasco

.maybe in the spring.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But then it will be Little League and the end of the school year recitals, etc.


48 posted on 12/11/2013 10:45:44 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Technocrat
ten percent cull

That's called "decimation".

49 posted on 12/11/2013 10:45:57 AM PST by glorgau
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To: Dick Vomer

Correct.


50 posted on 12/11/2013 10:47:17 AM PST by Robert Teesdale
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To: DBrow
Voting is obsolete. We just allowed the ruling party to use the IRS to win an election, and the Civitas database probably was fed FBI and CIA and NSA data as well as IRS data. Nobody seems to be doing anything about that, so Iassume that the next election will see the same tools, tactics, and databases used again.

Besides the RATs are about to give themselves 11 million more voters to ensure that they stay in power for generations.

51 posted on 12/11/2013 10:47:21 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: IChing
Nope....I mean the one with balls and commitment.
52 posted on 12/11/2013 10:51:15 AM PST by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Drew68
The elections weren't rigged and fraudulent. We lost fair and square. We lost because our Santa Claus wasn't as generous as their Santa Claus. It's the demographics that are killing us. Now that the "gibs me dat" class is outnumbering the hard-working productive class, the Santa with the biggest bag of "free" stuff will continue to win.

And here's the problem with your demographics argument: if the choice is exclusively between Santa Clause and Santa Clause then it is stupid to blame the resultant choice of Santa Claus on anything else, including demographics.

53 posted on 12/11/2013 10:54:06 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: IChing

You made my point for me.
just relented rather than - your point -.

-all the colonists really had to do was make things so horrible for the king’s forces that the King eventually just relented rather than continue to try to keep control from all those thousands of miles away.

..That’s not what happen. Here is what happen.

The English were beaten, whipped, and were being killed off by Americans soldiers.
General Cornwallis... surrender his British Army... to General Washington at Yorktown, Virginia.
My point.


54 posted on 12/11/2013 10:54:40 AM PST by triSranch
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Interesting observation, I'd like to see it tested by cancelling EBT's though.

Conditional on another cancellation accompanying it: cancelling onerous labor, wage, tax, health & safety, environmental, and overdone code regulations on businesses and the Americans who run them. Make it so a 17-year-old can get a job at a real wage, and the guy employing him not a criminal for paying less than "minimum wage."

Free up capitalism, prosperity will follow, and probably a more moral one at that.

55 posted on 12/11/2013 10:54:48 AM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: CivilWarBrewing
I think this entire 0bamacare fiasco, from its passage to its implementation and Team Barry's total disregard for accountability and the rule of law is one giant 'desensitization exercise' aimed at conditioning us to accept the intolerable.

The conditioning to accept the intolerable goes way back but it kicked into a higher gear with Roe vs. Wade, then the smoking ban, then the legitimizing of alternative life(?) styles and now ObamaCare. But the real biggy that's slipped under the radar is the neutering of the Senate and putting it under mob(in many senses)rule.

56 posted on 12/11/2013 10:55:58 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: IChing

As long as there is Wal-mart, we the Wal-mart People will be happy and content.


57 posted on 12/11/2013 10:57:52 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: lesko

More like The Walking Stupid and Honey Boo boo.


58 posted on 12/11/2013 10:58:16 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Thorliveshere
I'd like to think we'd rise to the occasion. I'm not heavily arm, but I'm so spitting mad, I'd fight tooth and nail.

Then start stocking up, start building an intelligence-network.
Also remember that letting them choose the time and place for the engagement is suicide, make them play by your rules.

59 posted on 12/11/2013 10:59:48 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: djf

White guys watch football.

I’m white and dont watch sports but am locked and loaded and ready.


60 posted on 12/11/2013 11:14:05 AM PST by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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