Posted on 11/23/2013 7:29:40 AM PST by WXRGina
"After tomorrow those godd-n Kennedys will never embarrass me again. That's not a threat. That's a promise." – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
Did LBJ have JFK killed?
This question has endured ever since that fateful day of 50 years ago – Nov. 22, 1963. Former Nixon White House adviser and self-proclaimed "GOP hit man" Roger Stone makes this central argument in his new book, "The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ." Stone's very interesting narrative isn't another "conspiracy theory" book to add to the already voluminous number of fantastical JFK assassination claims. Roger tells Reason Magazine Editor, Nick Gillespie, "The whole term 'conspiracy theorists' is a pejorative that the mainstream media uses to denigrate anyone who questions the government's version on virtually anything. ... I'm not talking conspiracy, I'm talking facts."
In an interview with Abby Martin, who asks Stone, "What's the strongest piece of evidence that implicates LBJ in Kennedy's murder?", Stone replies, "Probably the fingerprint of LBJ's personal hit man named, Malcom 'Mac' Wallace that is found on a cardboard box on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository. It's the only print other than the prints of Lee Harvey Oswald that I believe were planted there, so that is probably your strongest piece of evidence."
Secondarily, Johnson's mistress of 21 years, Madeleine Duncan Brown, who bore him an illegitimate child, said Lyndon Johnson told her on the eve of the assassination, "After tomorrow those godd-mn Kennedys will never embarrass me again. That's not a threat. That's a promise."
"And then lastly I think when the presidential motorcade pulled into Dealey Plaza in Dallas when Vice President Johnson's car made the 120 degree turn on Elm St. into Dealey Plaza, Lyndon Johnson, before the first shot was fired was on the floor of his car; he hits the deck. There's photographic evidence that proves this. So I would say that before, during and after the assassination Lyndon Johnson's actions betray the fact that he is in fact the man yoking the conspiracy, or in this case the plot that includes the CIA, organized crime and Big Texas Oil," Stone contends.
When asked about how his book is different from all of the other books claiming various JFK assassination conspiracy theories? Stone's answer recounted his professional relationship over many years as a trusted adviser to President Richard Nixon, who confessed to Stone "that the Warren Commission was the greatest hoax ever perpetrated." Stone again: "Nixon never flatly said who was responsible for Kennedy's death, but he would say both he and Johnson wanted to be president; the only difference, Nixon said was he refused to kill for the job."
Stone admits to additional firsthand confirmations that indeed LBJ killed JFK from such colorful characters as: Ambassador John Davis Lodge, who was the brother of Henry Cabot Lodge, JFK's ambassador to Vietnam; Attorney General John Mitchell; Tony Salerno, head of the Genovese crime family in New York; New Orleans mob boss Carlos Marcello, who all plotted together with the CIA and LBJ to assassinate JFK.
Stone, in his book on LBJ, chronicles voluminous amounts of damning evidence that points to LBJ as behind the JFK assassination, including Dallas being LBJ's territory, the Dallas Police Department and the Dallas media were under his control, LBJ's close friend (D.H. Byrd) owned the Texas book depository building, LBJ's personal assassin on many other hits (Malcolm Wallace) was seen on the sixth floor of the book depository building that day while 75-90 seconds after the assassination, Oswald was seen by several eyewitnesses including the building superintendent and a Dallas police officer not on the sixth floor, but sitting alone in the second-floor cafeteria drinking a Coke and apparently oblivious to the fact that JFK's assassination had just occurred less than two minutes earlier.
Stone further argues that Texas Gov. John Connally insisted that LBJ's cronies dictated the route of the presidential motorcade instead of JFK's advance team. This conflict caused a huge argument between JFK and LBJ, as witnessed by Jackie Kennedy, because JFK insisted on having Gov. John Connally, a loyal LBJ crony, ride in his limousine – while LBJ wanted his political foe, Sen. Ralph Yarborough, to ride with JFK (thereby killing two birds with one stone).
The trap was completely set when the presidential motorcade route was published in all the Dallas newspapers. As history dictated, JFK convinced LBJ to allow John Connally to ride in his limo, and Connally was shot along with JFK, although he survived. Yarborough, riding with a frustrated LBJ, was never harmed.
There is no physical evidence of Oswald being on the sixth floor of the Texas book depository building that day. The palm print the FBI found on the murder weapon was taken from Oswald and planted on the rifle while Oswald's body lay in the morgue after he was killed by Jack Ruby. The Dallas coroner recalled, after the FBI left, finding black fingerprint ink on the hands Oswald's corpse, which obviously wasn't there before the FBI arrived.
"Immediately after the assassination of JFK," according to Stone, "LBJ spread the knowingly false story that the Russian government had killed Kennedy. He told Earl Warren, the chief justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, who was reluctant to chair the Warren Commission. He was only persuaded because Johnson convinced him that the Russians had killed Kennedy and, if the truth got out, then it would precipitate World War III. This was a lie that Johnson told over and over. There's no truth to it. We now know that when Kennedy was killed, Soviet Premiere Nikita Khrushchev wept. Also, Fidel Castro who was with an American when he got the news, kept repeating "Oh no!" and "This is very bad news." "I do not think that the Russian state was in any way involved in the assassination," says Stone. "I think Johnson lied about this."
Finally, Stone mentions "Landslide Lyndon" ascension in politics where his infamous 1948 election launching his career as a senator was obviously a stolen election in which LBJ won by only 87 votes, all in alphabetical order, in the same handwriting and they all signed in the same ink ("Box 13). Through a magnificent presentation of original sources, Stone ties LBJ to eight murders prior to the JFK assassination, not including his own sister, whom Stone's contends "he may have killed" and "is buried without an autopsy." LBJ's sister, Josefa Johnson, was murdered Christmas Day 1961 after leaving a party hosted by LBJ. "I think he's an amoral psychopath," says Roger Stone of LBJ. "I think he's crude, evil, vicious, vindictive, [a] drunk. I think that Lyndon Johnson had unique motive, means and opportunity to kill John Kennedy and I think that he participated in a plot to do so."
"How did this happen?" "Who is responsible?" and the most important question: "Who had the most to gain?" Doubtlessly, the answer to all three questions points directly to Vice President Lyndon Johnson, who had motive, means and opportunity to kill JFK:
--LBJ had motive (personal, political, economic). He had political motive because of LBJ's legendary hatred of JFK, RFK and the Kennedy family, which extended back to 1937 when LBJ was a freshman Texas congressman and fanatical acolyte of FDR's New Deal programs. JFK and RFK didn't want LBJ on the first ticket and was working to get him kicked off the 1964 ticket. LBJ knew this and had to act fast;
--LBJ had means (LBJ used Texas Gov. John Connally to entice JFK to their Texas territory along with his strong connections with the Dallas Police, Dallas news media and Big Texas Oil);
--LBJ had opportunity. (LBJ controlled all aspects of the JFK assassination, before during and afterward.) The CIA hated Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis. FBI head J. Edgar Hoover also hated the Kennedys and used his vast forces to cover up the JFK murder.
With JFK out of the way, LBJ would become president of the United States – a coveted position that those who knew LBJ realized he would kill to obtain by any means necessary.
Was LBJ thinking of the JFK assassination when he made this cryptic admission? "It is the melancholy law of human societies to be compelled sometimes to choose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil." Or how about during his interview with Walter Cronkite when LBJ says, "Oswald," and he pauses, realizing that he did not want to speak that name publically to Cronkite and closes his eyes in despair, before continuing to the ultimate incriminating statement, "others that could have been involved."
Apparently, not even LBJ believed the findings of his phony, handpicked Warren Commission that "Oswald acted alone."
“The Dallas coroner recalled, after the FBI left, finding black fingerprint ink on the hands Oswald’s corpse, which obviously wasn’t there before the FBI arrived.”
You don’t use fingerprint ink to plant a false print on evidence. Natural skin oils are what leave a fingerprint.
Imagine how with how tight a grip Oswald must have clutched his rifle as he fired the fatal shots.
That “ink” detail doesn’t pass the smell test. LBJ was an evil man with a truly demonic ambition. Did he wish all the Kennedys dead? Obviously. Could LBJ have created an airtight conspiracy with a great many players? Well.....
I have for a long time believed that JFK was killed because he dared to put the USA monetary system back onto the USA Treasury track instead of the Federal Reserve track or for his showdown stand in the Cuban missile crisis. The Fed Reserve is not a USA entity. For all its name and personnel in the USA it is a European banker controlled entity. Recall that JFK had the USA treasury print about $250,000,000.00 in true USA Treasury bills. These were as good for commerce as the Fed Reserve notes. This was a bold affront to the money brokers established by Pres. Wilson with the help of European bankers controlled by the Rothchild family of European bankers. Recall also it was this same family of bankers, the family goes back centuries, that used the communists such as Marx, Lenin and Engels to depose the Ruling Czar of Russia when he refused to knuckle under to their demands for monetary control of Russia. Recall now that Khrushchev boasted his communism would bury the USA. Recall that it was and still is today widely accepted that Oswald was a dyed in the wool communist having spent time in Russia. So I come to the thought that Oswald, perhaps with others, was a tool either of the European bankers for their revenge/payback or Russian payback for the Cuban debacle which must have really smarted their pride. Because the Russian government today is still beholding to the communist government set up years ago by the bankers it is not a far stretch to think of both factions/causes wanting JFK out of the way and both had capable means for such to act in concert.
I ordered the Roger Stone book. Looking forward to reading it.
It looks like a good one!
I wondered about the ink, too. That didn’t make sense.
Why did Oswald need to be silenced? There is only one reason under it all: someone besides Oswald didn’t want him to talk. Thus obviously he wasn’t alone. Period.
Now, what Oswald could have said is up for debate. Could he have been very convincing that he wasn’t on the 6th floor? Could he have pointed to anyone who hired him to either shoot the president or to act in diversionary ways? That is what I want to know.
But by virtue of how he was mob style silenced at great risk to the silencer, there was high motivation to silence him.
Barr McClellan’s book tells the same story, basically that LBJ and Ed Clark had painted themselves into a corner in such a way that only the power of the presidency was going to keep the two of them out of prison, and that JFK was going to dump Johnson from the ticket in 64.
Pure speculation that has not been backed up with one shred of evidence.
The mob got JFK the in office by stealing Illinois. Bobby then started yanking their chain. Imagine the anger.
You don’t need to imagine it. Double Cross is another excellent book on the assassination from the mob side. Written by Sam Giancana’s son. No doubt the mob was involved even if LBJ was at the top of the chain. They had even stronger motivation than LBJ [he was going to be hurt politically,
but they were going to be wiped out], so theirs was a marriage made in, well, hell.
Malcom Wallace was convicted of murdering a man thought to be blackmailing LBJ. A judge over ruled the jury's sentence and gave him 5 years and then immediately suspended the sentence. He also is thought to have murdered a man shot 5 times with a shotgun. Coroner ruled it suicide.
He was known as LBJ's executioner long before JFK was killed.
Why did Oswald need to be silenced? There is only one reason under it all: someone besides Oswald didn’t want him to talk. Thus obviously he wasn’t alone. Period.
Not speculation, common logic and human nature. Not evidence either since purely theoretically, Ruby could have just been upset that his president was killed. Yeah, that is Possible. But common sense dictates that there was great motivation for him to carefully kill Oswald. Greater than just justice for a president’s death.
Maybe Ruby had delusions of grandeur and thought he would be hero for taking Oswald out. Who knows, it’s all speculation...And any conspiracy that involves so many people would ultimately have come out after all this time, which it hasn’t.
I had a friend, who was a Secret Service agent assigned to LBJ during his VP days and later as president.
This friend felt that LBJ was a rude/crude man, a liar and criminally insane when it came to grabbing power and keeping it.
After LBJ maneuvered this country into a full war with N Vietnam, (more on that below), he saddled our Navy/Marine, USAF and Army warriors with ROE’s which resulted in many of our warriors being killed, wounded or captured by enemies of America.
Below are 3 critical incidents where our Navy Warriors were used, abused, put into danger, wounded/killed or captured to be abandoned by this vile person:
http://www.usni.org/magazines/navalhistory/2008-02/truth-about-tonkin
On 2 August 1964, North Vietnamese patrol torpedo boats attacked the USS Maddox (DD-731) while the destroyer was in international waters in the Gulf of Tonkin. There is no doubting that fact.
But what happened in the Gulf during the late hours of 4 August—and the consequential actions taken by U.S. officials in Washington—has been seemingly cloaked in confusion and mystery ever since that night.
Over the next three hours, the two ships repeatedly maneuvered at high speeds to evade perceived enemy boat attacks. The destroyers reported automatic-weapons fire; more than 20 torpedo attacks; sightings of torpedo wakes, enemy cockpit lights, and searchlight illumination; and numerous radar and surface contacts. By the time the destroyers broke off their “counterattack,” they had fired 249 5-inch shells, 123 3-inch shells, and four or five depth charges. 10
Commander Stockdale was again in the action, this time alone. When his wingman’s aircraft developed trouble, Stockdale got permission to launch solo from the Ticonderoga . He arrived overhead at 2135. For more than 90 minutes, he made runs parallel to the ships’ course and at low altitude (below 2,000 feet) looking for the enemy vessels. He reported later, “I had the best seat in the house to watch that event and our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets—there were no PT boats there . . . there was nothing there but black water and American firepower.” 11
Captain Herrick also began to have doubts about the attack. As the battle continued, he realized the “attacks” were actually the results of “overeager sonar operators” and poor equipment performance. The Turner Joy had not detected any torpedoes during the entire encounter, and Herrick determined that the Maddox ‘s operators were probably hearing the ship’s propellers reflecting off her rudder during sharp turns. 12 The destroyer’s main gun director was never able to lock onto any targets because, as the operator surmised, the radar was detecting the stormy sea’s wave tops.
By 0127 on 5 August, hours after the “attacks” had occurred, Herrick had queried his crew and reviewed the preceding hours’ events. He sent a flash (highest priority) message to Honolulu, which was received in Washington at 1327 on 4 August, declaring his doubts: “Review of action makes many reported contacts and torpedoes fired appear doubtful. Freak weather effects on radar and overeager sonarmen may have accounted for many reports. No actual visual sightings by MADDOX. Suggest complete evaluation before any further action taken.” 13
What really happened to the USS Liberty while LBJ was POTUS.
On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.
The Attack:
After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.
The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.
The Cover Up:
Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference, retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading the Navy’s inquiry to “conclude that the attack was a case of ‘mistaken identity’ despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.”
It was “one of the classic all-American cover-ups,” said retired Admiral Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/uss-pueblo-captured
On January 23, 1968, the USS Pueblo, a Navy intelligence vessel, is engaged in a routine surveillance of the North Korean coast when it is intercepted by North Korean patrol boats. According to U.S. reports, the Pueblo was in international waters almost 16 miles from shore, but the North Koreans turned their guns on the lightly armed vessel and demanded its surrender. The Americans attempted to escape, and the North Koreans opened fire, wounding the commander and two others. With capture inevitable, the Americans stalled for time, destroying the classified information aboard while taking further fire. Several more crew members were wounded.
Finally, the Pueblo was boarded and taken to Wonson. There, the 83-man crew was bound and blindfolded and transported to Pyongyang, where they were charged with spying within North Korea’s 12-mile territorial limit and imprisoned. It was the biggest crisis in two years of increased tension and minor skirmishes between the United States and North Korea.
The United States maintained that the Pueblo had been in international waters and demanded the release of the captive sailors. With the Tet Offensive raging 2,000 miles to the south in Vietnam, President Lyndon Johnson ordered no direct retaliation.
Pure speculation that has not been backed up with one shred of evidence.
Best theory based on circumstantial evidence. Even a nine year old kid circa 1963 such as myself, ignoring all the misdirection could easily see it.
And in a court of law, that gets you Jack Squat.
Okay, you've switched the subject from us discussing in the court of public opinion what is most likely, to us being jurors in a court of law.
Thanks for squat.
I’ve always thought it was LBJ. Evil, evil man.
Cavuto was interviewing the co-worker who had driven Oswald to work that day. He said that the package Oswald brought was too small to be the gun that killed Kennedy. (I figure that Texan men know their guns.) And he’d never believed Oswald was the culprit. But, he did kill that cop; there’s always that.
“This friend felt that LBJ was a rude/crude man”
In the ‘70s, I met military-type guy who said one of his jobs in D.C. was shuttling tramps through underground White House walkways for trysts with LBJ. Don’t know if it’s true; it’s what he told us.
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