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1 posted on 10/28/2013 3:55:46 AM PDT by NYer
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The Congress will take care of this , they will change the law. That is if Obama doesn’t decide to change it himself.


2 posted on 10/28/2013 3:59:19 AM PDT by Venturer (Keep Obama and you aint seen nothing yet.)
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Good morning!!

"..the law, as written,cannot be changed without Congressional approval.."

As if a little detail like that has ever stopped Zero. He'll act, House Republicans will file a lawsuit, and 3 years from now the Supremes will find in their favor..

3 posted on 10/28/2013 4:00:21 AM PDT by ken5050 (Benghazi investigation update: "The plot thickens, like Hillary Clinton's ankles.." (longfellow")
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wbat difference does it make?

the ONLY thing driving the obamites is is raising taxes (or fees, choose your term) on the “middle class” (anyone who owns anything) and redistributing the money to favored cronies and some scraps to the “underserved” who now get free birf control


5 posted on 10/28/2013 4:04:07 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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Sounds like Pelosi will get a new assignment very soon.


6 posted on 10/28/2013 4:10:02 AM PDT by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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Defenders of the law say the courts are being used as part of the political campaign against the law.

Apparently the shoe is just as uncomfortable on the other foot.

7 posted on 10/28/2013 4:10:37 AM PDT by tbpiper
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"They are betting on getting five votes at the Supreme Court," Lazarus said. "I don't think it will happen."

Is jonny boi one of those five? I thought Lazarus was dead.

8 posted on 10/28/2013 4:13:01 AM PDT by USS Alaska (If I could...I would.)
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ONCE HE WAS BLIND NOW HE CAN SEE---Obombo said he's seen the light-----searching now to find "the best and brightest" to fix the abominable web site.

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OBOMBO'S GOT A SECRET--The White House has promised a "tech surge" of the "best and the brightest," from Silicon Valley and beyond. But nobody knows, or is telling anyone, who those people actually are.

Contractors grilled at a congressional hearing this week wouldn't name names, and several tech executives questioned yesterday said they had no inside information on the makeup of the government's emergency coder team. NOT reassuring that the floundering admin announced a former White House budget director is now the abominable web site's "fixer."

So who were the dumb clucks that pocketed the $billion tax dollars for the initial botched rollout? O blamed everybody but his sainted grandmother for the massive screwup.

IT GETS BETTER---NY MAGAZINE REPORT Silicon Valley techies say the botched healthcare.gov rollout was emblematic of what's called "state-of-the-art incompetence" .......the dated, old-school approach to the site's development, which relies on a management system known as the "waterfall model," and whose back-end database appears to run on Oracle software, had all but ensured it would run over-budget, late, and riddled with technical problems.

You could have taken any SV engineer and asked them, 'I have a friend — don't mention the government — who's thinking about a five-year, $100 million Oracle installation, and they've hired an outsourced contractor (crony-ridden CGI-Canada)to build it for them. It's going to be proprietary, hosted in their own data center, Oracle-based, with waterfall management."

"What are the odds that it's working on Day One of the rollout?" And everyone in SV will tell you: zero percent.

Silicon Valley's emerging suspicion of government, see the botched rollout as symptomatic of the government's ham-fisted approach to technology.

The healthcare.gov site is "only the latest episode in a string of information technology debacles by the federal government," wrote Clay Johnson and Harper Reed, two programmers with political pasts (Johnson was Howard Dean's lead programmer in 2004; Reed was the brain behind Obama's 2012 digital campaign) in a Times op-ed.

The pair went on: This latest failure is frustrating for us to watch ... We must find a fix to the federal procurement process that spares the government’s technology projects from the self-inflicted wounds of signing big contracts whose terms repeatedly and spectacularly go unmet.

9 posted on 10/28/2013 4:17:08 AM PDT by Liz
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This is why it would have been helpful to have actual Republican leadership in Congress these past few years as opposed to the spineless drunkards currently in charge.

If we had at least tried to put up a fight each time Obama unconstitutionally modified this law there might be some precedent to prevent him from just crossing out the offending language and issuing a royal edict to sort this out.


12 posted on 10/28/2013 4:20:32 AM PDT by Junk Silver
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Given the kenyan’s unprotested, uncontested, and massive innovations so far, the actual wording of the law probably is irrelevant to its application. The kenyan will fix it it with a proclamation.


13 posted on 10/28/2013 4:45:34 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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RE :”The Affordable Care Act proposes to make health insurance affordable to millions of low-income Americans by offering them tax credits to help cover the cost. To receive the credit, the law twice says they must buy insurance “through an exchange established by the state.”
But 36 states have decided against opening exchanges for now. Although the law permits the federal government to open exchanges instead, it does not say tax credits may be given to those who buy insurance through a federally run exchange.
Apparently no one noticed this when the long and complicated bill worked its way through the House and Senate. Last year, however, the Internal Revenue Servicetried to remedy it by putting out a regulation that redefined “exchange” to include a “federally facilitated exchange.” This is “consistent with the language, purpose and structure … of the act as a whole,” the Treasury Department said.
But critics of the law have seized on the glitch. They have filed four lawsuits that urge judges to rule the Obama administration must abide by the strict wording of the law, even if doing so dismantles it in nearly two-thirds of the states. And the Obama administration has no hope of repairing the glitch by legislation as long as the Republicans control the House.”

OH-OH. More trouble for SS obamacare.

16 posted on 10/28/2013 4:48:08 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US Citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position)
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Many of us are on record about a year before the Supreme Court decision expressing pessimism over the result only because we have become cynical about how our judicial system malfunctions. We have no doubt that the Supreme Court works backwards to rationalize the desired result.

Therefore, it is indeed not easy to predict the Supreme Court will simply uphold the law as written, after all the Chief Justice had no difficulty rewriting the law to find that it was a tax, in order to get to a predetermined result.

With all of that said, I think the right to argue the case is to take the high road and declare that those states which want to participate are free to participate and they have exercised their democratic choice not to participate. In effect, by extending the subsidies to nonparticipating states, the court is rewriting the law once again. It is far more equitable to return the matter to the people and let them vote their choice and those states that want to participate, can participate.

God knows what this court will do, but we should keep hammering at the door until one of these five justices, perhaps the Chief Justice himself, decides that it is politically expedient to relieve the Democrats of the cross upon which they have nailed themselves.


18 posted on 10/28/2013 4:56:28 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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Someone help me out 'cause I'm really conflicted here. Do we:

a) Pursue this with all dispatch in an effort to shut this monstrosity down before it does any more damage than it already has, which, as the article describes, would occur somewhere during the appellate process as the plaintiffs would invariably ask for an injunction against its implementation until the SCOTUS sorts this out,

or:

b) Continue to roll with the disastrous website and rollout status quo and watch the effect it's having on the reelection of red state Democrap Senators as they are clearly in the crosshairs of this mess and are trying to pause this thing until after NOV 2014. These lawsuits could give them the out that they are looking for to save their jobs.

20 posted on 10/28/2013 5:06:04 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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“Apparently no one noticed this when the long and complicated bill worked its way through the House and Senate.”

How could they when no one read it?

“The states have now split evenly, as 25 of them have opted to take the extra money from Washington and expand their Medicaid coverage, and 25 have refused. As a result, the law’s aim to provide free healthcare for those who are poor will go forward in only half of the nation.”

And if this law stands as illegally amended by the IRS, you’re going to see a mass migration of the poor from one half of these states to the other, thus bankrupting half the states in the nation because of the burden placed on social services.

Yep: Obama’s destruction of the country is proceeding way ahead of schedule.

“If the federal government cannot offer these subsidies in the 36 states without exchanges, it cannot enforce the mandate to have insurance, lawyers say.”

Checkmate.

You can’t have a federal law that applies to only a third of the states.


25 posted on 10/28/2013 5:44:05 AM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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This flaw is hardly news - it’s been noted for several years.


26 posted on 10/28/2013 5:50:45 AM PDT by bagman
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George will mentions this issue at the beginning of this video.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2773621692001/panel-plus-1027/


28 posted on 10/28/2013 6:06:00 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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DC staffers sent packing in 2014 via We The People voting out their gravy train bosses won’t get squat to subsidize their DeathCare?


29 posted on 10/28/2013 6:48:05 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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Apparently no one noticed this when the long and complicated bill worked its way through the House and Senate

That statement is spin and not true. The possibility was noticed, so ACA included some extortion to prevent it.

A part of ACA mandated that, if a State did not set up a State Exchange and expand Medicaid, all Medicaid funds would be withheld. This guarenteed that States would set up Exchanges. Then, if one person working for a company got a subsidy, the employer had to pay a fine.

But the Supreme Court 7-2 decision said that the FedGov couldn't withhold all Medicare funds to punish states that didn't set up the Exchanges. That is what created the "glitch".

But critics of the law have seized on the glitch. They have filed four lawsuits that urge judges to rule the Obama administration must abide by the strict wording of the law, even if doing so dismantles it in nearly two-thirds of the states.

Imagine that -- the IRS may have to abide by the strict wording of the law.

Note to Democrats: this is why any law affecting millions of citizens should have the support of at least some Republicans; else any flaws in the law will produce the death of the law by a thousand cuts.

30 posted on 10/28/2013 12:34:59 PM PDT by Mack the knife
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