Posted on 09/28/2013 8:14:02 AM PDT by Rusty0604
Police had arrested the leader and more than a dozen senior members of the far-right Golden Dawn party after the killing of an anti-fascist rapper by a party supporter triggered outrage and protests across the country. Reuters reports that the party's leader, spokesman, two other lawmakers and 10 members were arrested on charges of founding a criminal organisation. Police confiscated two guns and a hunting rifle from the home of Mihaloliakos, saying he did not have a license for them. As has been reported previously, Golden Dawn, is under investigation for the murder of Pavlos Fissas, who bled to death after being stabbed twice by a party sympathiser.
While PM Samaras ruled out snap elections after the arrests, it is difficult to see how this full crackdown on Golden Dawn can be contained in government without major repercussions: "Justice, stability, without elections," he said.
The party has denied any links to the killing and Mihaloliakos has warned the party could pull its lawmakers from parliament if the crackdown does not stop. Golden Dawn, whose emblem resembles a swastika, rose from obscurity to enter parliament last year after promising to mine Greece's borders to prevent illegal immigrants from entering. Its members have been seen giving Nazi-style salutes but the party rejects the neo-Nazi label.
One thing is certain: in Greece, where broad unemployment (not to mention youth) hits a new record high every month, the population certainly has a lot of free time. All that would take for that idleness to be harnessed and catalyzed, is some major ideologically-charged social event which instead of dismantling the neonazis, further coalesces public support behind them as a conduit for social anger at the ongoing economic collapse: a screenplay well known since a certain Beer Hall Putsch.
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To a left-wing anarchist, anarchy is the absence of governmental protection of the property of the rich, against its seizure by the mob, as the first step towards a Communist state.
I’m guessing you feel the same about the muslim brotherhood?
Enter Golden Dawn. They blamed Greece's problems on immigration which is a very real issue that neither main party will address. Golden Dawn bludgeon them with it over and over again. Since the two main parties can't defend themselves on this issue Golden Dawn has attracted more and more support. People fed up with the corrupt system will reach a point where they want something different and they don't care what.
This almost came to pass in Italy where a comedian holds the largest voting block in the Chamber of Deputies. The two main parties put aside their differences to keep his party out of power, thus proving his point about them all being cronies.
Golden Dawn is similar to Nazi, or National Socialist Worker’s Party. In other words, it is NOT “far right” and has nothing to do with conservatism.
But I suspect that they are merely being used as propaganda fodder by the leftists who run things. Otherwise, not much difference between Communists and Nazis.
That is right, and conservatives have been called “Nazis” and even worse names. I know I have been called all kinds of things.
Greek govt cracks down on neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party, arrests leader
Russia Today
http://rt.com/news/greece-golden-dawn-leader-arrest-481/
From WIKI:
The party ran a campaign during the Greek national elections of 2012 based on concerns for unemployment, austerity and the economy, as well as virulent anti-immigration rhetoric, which gained a large increase in support from the Greek electorate.
In May 2012, the BBC reported on how Golden Dawn had become sort of a local ‘Robin Hood’ in some high-immigration areas of Athens,[54] since the party was developing a social program which included the delivery of free or minimal cost food among the most unfavored strata of ethnic Greeks.[55][56] The party offers protection for victims of crime, a service that has been appreciated by citizens and utilized by the police, which refers Athenians to the Golden Dawn for help, especially when immigrant crime is involved. The party, however, demands allegiance in return for their service.[57]
“The Greeks do not have a long history with democracy”
Sigh.
Yours is certainly an interesting perspective, but it perhaps blinds us to this alternate point of view:
The Greeks have a very long history with democracy, and of episodes where that democracy struck out at prominent leaders to its detriment.
The fates of many, including Thucydides, Themistocles, Alcibades, and, perhaps most dramatically, Hippocrates, show definite parallels to the current situation.
Nuts. The last name on that list should be “Socrates.” Sorry.
My last post should read:
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“The Greeks do not have a long history with democracy”
Sigh.
Yours is certainly an interesting perspective, but it perhaps blinds us to this alternate point of view:
The Greeks have a very long history with democracy, and of episodes where that democracy struck out at prominent leaders to its detriment.
The fates of many, including Thucydides, Themistocles, Alcibades, and, perhaps most dramatically, Socrates, show definite parallels to the current situation.
I never made any claims that it is a conservative party. I do see that the leftists in this country consider anyone that wants to enforce our immigration laws and see the unemployment rate fall for our own citizens before we bring in millions of unskilled immigrants to the workforce to be “Nazis”.
The Greeks were a monarchy 40 years ago. The democracy of 2,500 years ago has no bearing on operating a successful government today.
I have to side with Pan Yan on this one. Even the so-called golden age of democracy in Athens was interspersed by periods of rule by tyrants, and many cities in ancient Greece, such as Sparta, were never democracies. After that there were more than 2,000 years of rule by Macedonians, Romans, Byzantines and Ottomans.
Not you, Tyler Durden. Which is a bit surprising, since he is not a regular lefty. Probably he just used the usual term without thinking about it.
Hitler basically came into power because of the economic crisis in Germany. The kind of crisis where people are open to the promises of Communists and/or Nazis. They were desperate to try anything, and Hitler promised to fix it.
I’m surprised.... Greece has a far right party!!! /s
I wish the US did!!!
Communists and national socialists competing for the same hearts and minds. Its why the Reichstag fire was blamed on the communists.
Hitler was an expert at capitalizing on crisis.
I wish the US did!!!
Be careful what you wish for. As has been pointed out by others, these are not “right” as we know that term here in the US.
If I were forced to make a choice between living under Stalin and living under Hitler I’d be hard pressed to make a quick or satisfactory decision.
A conservative party doesn’t promise to fix problems.
It promises to get out of the way, so you can fix your own problems.
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